Progress Race:Dallas,Houston,Austin,San Antonio (Fort Worth, Plano: department store, to relocate)

[Powervoc]

So Dallas' changes will look drastically different than Houstons in 2017? The numbers I posted prove that you are incorrect, and by a pretty wide margin. The building boom in Houston has completely changed the look and feel of East and South sides of downtown. Uptown has exploded as well as Midtown... What's confusing is that you state that progress doesn't mean buildings yet you continue to make that your criteria on the subject.

We could talk about Houston completely revitalizing it's CBD with three sports stadiums, a park that is the envy of the state and has caused a huge change and building boom. New rail lines, hotels, a beautiful redo of the George R. brown, millions put into the revitalization of Buffalo Bayo, a park system that is massive, etc, etc. and that's just the CBD.

Seeing that most here want a bustling and alive CBD, Houston is leaps and bounds above Dallas. I understand that you love your city, and I admire that, but let's at least agree that as of now, Houston has won the race.

[JKAddict]

Originally Posted by Powervoc

So Dallas' changes will look drastically different than Houstons in 2017? The numbers I posted prove that you are incorrect, and by a pretty wide margin. The building boom in Houston has completely changed the look and feel of East and South sides of downtown. Uptown has exploded as well as Midtown... What's confusing is that you state that progress doesn't mean buildings yet you continue to make that your criteria on the subject.

We could talk about Houston completely revitalizing it's CBD with three sports stadiums, a park that is the envy of the state and has caused a huge change and building boom. New rail lines, hotels, a beautiful redo of the George R. brown, millions put into the revitalization of Buffalo Bayo, a park system that is massive, etc, etc. and that's just the CBD.

Seeing that most here want a bustling and alive CBD, Houston is leaps and bounds above Dallas. I understand that you love your city, and I admire that, but let's at least agree that as of now, Houston has won the race.

I'll agree that Houston is doing better, but leaps and bounds? That's debateable.

[dallasboi]

Originally Posted by Powervoc

So Dallas' changes will look drastically different than Houstons in 2017? The numbers I posted prove that you are incorrect, and by a pretty wide margin. The building boom in Houston has completely changed the look and feel of East and South sides of downtown. Uptown has exploded as well as Midtown... What's confusing is that you state that progress doesn't mean buildings yet you continue to make that your criteria on the subject.

We could talk about Houston completely revitalizing it's CBD with three sports stadiums, a park that is the envy of the state and has caused a huge change and building boom. New rail lines, hotels, a beautiful redo of the George R. brown, millions put into the revitalization of Buffalo Bayo, a park system that is massive, etc, etc. and that's just the CBD.

Seeing that most here want a bustling and alive CBD, Houston is leaps and bounds above Dallas. I understand that you love your city, and I admire that, but let's at least agree that as of now, Houston has won the race.

Let me dumb this down a little

Technically....the cities in this poll are not directly in competition with each other. They are in competition with themselves.

Let me explain.

The contest should really be judged by comparing a 2012 picture of Dallas vs a 2017 picture of Dallas. ...not the other cities...

Each city should do that. ..and at the end you judge who's 2017 picture presented the most drastic change from their 2012 picture. ...

That would be the winner.

Example

Houston built alot of buildings downtown and it really changed alot as was said earlier......If New York built double the amount as Houston did it wouldn't change a thing.......and Houston would have the most drastic change out of the two....hands down...with only half the amout of buildings built compared to NY.
Same as if Ft.Worth built two 50 story skyscrapers. They would win this whole thing.

[Exult.Q36]

Originally Posted by dallasboi

Let me dumb this down a little

Technically....the cities in this poll are not directly in competition with each other. They are in competition with themselves.

Let me explain.

The contest should really be judged by comparing a 2012 picture of Dallas vs a 2017 picture of Dallas. ...not the other cities...

Each city should do that. ..and at the end you judge who's 2017 picture presented the most drastic change from their 2012 picture. ...

That would be the winner.

Example

Houston built alot of buildings downtown and it really changed alot as was said earlier......If New York built double the amount as Houston did it wouldn't change a thing.......and Houston would have the most drastic change out of the two....hands down...with only half the amout of buildings built compared to NY.
Same as if Ft.Worth built two 50 story skyscrapers. They would win this whole thing.

Lol if Fort Worth built just one 50 story tower it should win the whole poll.

[JJG]

Originally Posted by kdogg817

Lol if Fort Worth built just one 50 story tower it should win the whole poll.

That's the sad truth, right there.

[Powervoc]

No need to "dumb it down." Dallas has made some great progress over the last few years, but your poll states which has made more progress, and Houston has trumped Big D in that regard.
Secondly, your once again making skyscrapers your criteria when you mentioned earlier that that wasn't the only criteria, and for once I agree with you there. That's why I mentioned just a few things other than skyscrapers. Houston has been more progressive than Dallas in that regard (CBD) as well.

In the end you seem to be making assumptions about the visual effect between the two cities without having a clue as to the visual change Houston has made. Granted that Houstons amount of buildings surpasses Dallas in every regard, but without being here, your not really in a position to make that judgment.

Edit: I've not even made mention of the TMC, which if I'm not mistaken is right on downtown Dallas' heals I'm square footage.

[Powervoc]

Originally Posted by JKAddict

I'll agree that Houston is doing better, but leaps and bounds? That's debateable.

I would call an 11 million square foot difference "leaps and bounds." Not sure that's debatable.

[JKAddict]

Originally Posted by Powervoc

I would call an 11 million square foot difference "leaps and bounds." Not sure that's debatable.

11 million square feet of what exactly? Office?

And yes, that statement is still debateable despite your vague fact. Dallas has added numerous amounts of residential unit and has become more vibrant. Downtown Dallas is no longer dead after 5pm or on the weekends. Please don't act like Dallas hasn't made incredible progress.

[Just.No]

Depends on whose progression you're referring to.....

[Retail Man]

Not from the consideration of height, but from what is most prime in real estate. The area around the Crescent is the most prime area in all of North Texas in retail, office space, hotels, and residential.

From the point of view of retail, central Houston isn't even urban. It is unplanned and bohemian. This means residents in central Houston are going to need a vehicle to get around. Just look at the retail on both sides of the Katy Trail alone? The West End Historic District, The Dallas Design District (300 stores), The Crescent, West Village, Turtle Creek Village, and Knox - Henderson. Shoot, I didn't even mention Victory Park which has suffered a lot. It is undergoing a $100,000,000 redevelopment.

From the point of view of what is most erect pertaining to tall (and probable empty) office space, i think Houston will always win this award.