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View Poll Results: Should Texas Pass an Open Carry Law for handguns?
Yes 46 58.23%
No 25 31.65%
Yes, maybe... 5 6.33%
No, but... 0 0%
Not Sure/Undecided 3 3.80%
A private citizen should NOT be allowed to carry at all 0 0%
Other (please explain) 0 0%
Voters: 79. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 11-02-2012, 03:30 PM
 
Location: Corpus Christi, TX
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As a soon to be university student, I cannot disagree more emphatically. I will help fight off any temptations the Legislature has with brushing on this again.
Someone with a concealed handgun license can already carry pretty much everywhere else, It is already legal to carry on campus grounds and parking lots. So what difference does it make if they can also carry in campus buildings?

As it is right now people who want to legally carry a handgun while attending school are being forced to unholster their weapon and leave it in parked cars. Seems to me that that just makes it more likely that a gun will be stolen or potentially negligently discharged with the extra handling. It would be safer if the gun was just holstered on their person for the whole day.

Also how many security checkpoints do you go through while on campus, because those would be the only way to ensure someone does not have a weapon on their person illegally. On my campus I do not go through any and I prefer it that way.
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Old 11-02-2012, 08:34 PM
 
Location: Austin, Texas
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Someone with a concealed handgun license can already carry pretty much everywhere else, It is already legal to carry on campus grounds and parking lots. So what difference does it make if they can also carry in campus buildings?

As it is right now people who want to legally carry a handgun while attending school are being forced to unholster their weapon and leave it in parked cars. Seems to me that that just makes it more likely that a gun will be stolen or potentially negligently discharged with the extra handling. It would be safer if the gun was just holstered on their person for the whole day.

Also how many security checkpoints do you go through while on campus, because those would be the only way to ensure someone does not have a weapon on their person illegally. On my campus I do not go through any and I prefer it that way.
I need peace of mind that the person sitting next to me, or across the room won't be able to do something stupid for whatever reason. Gun laws in this state are too lax anyway.
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Old 11-02-2012, 08:38 PM
 
Location: Corpus Christi, TX
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I need peace of mind that the person sitting next to me, or across the room won't be able to do something stupid for whatever reason.
Then you should probably live in a bunker by yourself then because there is absolutely nothing to prevent that right now or ever.

As I mentioned previously it's unlikely your school runs security checkpoints before you enter the buildings and I'm sure they don't do criminal background checks on all the students. Concealed handgun license holders do have criminal background checks run on them.

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Gun laws in this state are too lax anyway.
Have you thought of moving to Chicago, you might like the gun laws there?
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Old 11-02-2012, 08:56 PM
 
Location: Austin, Texas
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Then you should probably live in a bunker by yourself then because there is absolutely nothing to prevent that right now or ever.

As I mentioned previously it's unlikely your school runs security checkpoints before you enter the buildings and I'm sure they don't do criminal background checks on all the students. Concealed handgun license holders do have criminal background checks run on them.



Have you thought of moving to Chicago, you might like the gun laws there?
I was thinking Canada. Very strict gun laws and some of the lowest crime rates in the developed world. For example, Toronto has more than half a million people than does Houston, yet, Houston still has homicide rate that is more than 4 times that of Toronto's.
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Old 11-02-2012, 09:19 PM
 
Location: Dallas-Fort Worth, Texas
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I'd support open carry laws even though I'd prefer to concealed carry. It would be nice to have the option though.

What I'm really hoping will pass this legislative session is concealed carry on campus.

Campus Carry: What it IS and What it is NOT
I'd support that for faculty, but not for students.
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Old 11-02-2012, 09:22 PM
 
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I was thinking Canada. Very strict gun laws and some of the lowest crime rates in the developed world. For example, Toronto has more than half a million people than does Houston, yet, Houston still has homicide rate that is more than 4 times that of Toronto's.
Sorry, Austinite, this abbreviated argument won't hunt either dogs or ducks. That is, to make the connection between gun-control laws (whether local, state, and/or national) as being indicitive of lowering the "murder" rate (which in itself is subject to degrees)?

Then it must first be shown that the "gun control" laws in question actually lowered the crime rate in comparrison to that before they were passed to begin with.

Would you like to discuss the violent crime rate in England before as coorelated with incremental gun-control laws passed since, and which now make it almost impossible for a private citizen to own one? You have the floor...

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Old 11-02-2012, 10:40 PM
 
Location: Central Texas
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I need peace of mind that the person sitting next to me, or across the room won't be able to do something stupid for whatever reason. Gun laws in this state are too lax anyway.
It can happen anywhere, no matter what the gun laws say.
Even in Canada:
Dawson College shooting - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Concordia University massacre - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
École Polytechnique massacre - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 11-02-2012, 10:42 PM
 
Location: Austin, Texas
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Never said it couldn't happen, because it does. But you can mitigate.
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Old 11-02-2012, 10:54 PM
 
Location: Central Texas
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Never said it couldn't happen, because it does. But you can mitigate.
Right, so there will always be some doubt, and no peace of mind.
Mitigate honest people from obtaining guns...criminals don't give a rats a$$ about the laws or systems put in place to mitigate. They will get what they want by any means possible.
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Old 11-02-2012, 10:59 PM
 
Location: Austin, Texas
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Right, so there will always be some doubt, and no peace of mind.
Mitigate honest people from obtaining guns...criminals don't give a rats a$$ about the laws or systems put in place to mitigate. They will get what they want by any means possible.
They could be the most honest people on the planet, but if they are holding guns on them I don't want to be near them. Period.
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