Dallas v. Houston Luxury Shopping- 2013 (Highland Park, Atlanta: airport, ranking, psychiatrist)

[ViolentMimes]

I'm going to go with Dallas on this one based on the lists posted earlier.

[TXT]

Originally Posted by ViolentMimes

I'm going to go with Dallas on this one based on the lists posted earlier.

Those lists are old, out-dated and erroneous. But a Dallas fan will ignore that.

Here's another list:

Saks Fifth Avenue (Both locations)
Bloomingdale's
Giorgio Armani
Barney's New York
Etc...

...Have all closed and left Dallas.

[binkyman]

Originally Posted by Metro Matt

Houston

More disposable income with the booming oil, gas, & energy sectors.

Dallas isn't growing quite as fast.

Once again, the Dallas market is twice the size of the Houston market. While it is busy getting grease all over everything, Dallas is delving far more into the Houston market than the other way around. Or, just keep score with the industrial real estate market in both areas. The Dallas - Fort Worth building of new warehouses will always be about twice that of Houston. It is Dallas that is like Atlanta and Chicago and not Houston.
Or, why did the Shops at Willow Bend in Plano fail as a huge upscale shopping mall? Well, the very wealthy in both north Dallas and Plano chose instead to commute the ten miles to shop at the golden retail Mecca of Dallas.

[binkyman]

Originally Posted by TXT

Those lists are old, out-dated and erroneous. But a Dallas fan will ignore that.

Here's another list:

Saks Fifth Avenue (Both locations)
Bloomingdale's
Giorgio Armani
Barney's New York
Etc...

...Have all closed and left Dallas.

The momentum is with Dallas. Concerning the commercial shopping district that is now forming in the central core area in the Uptown developments of West Village and CityPlace, there shouldn't be considered any ceiling placed on its potential. The sky is the limit here.

(We are comparing cities here and not metropolitan areas. Houston has over twice the population of Dallas. And why is Plaza at Preston Center being ignored? It is just as world famous as North Park.)

[Trae713]

Originally Posted by binkyman

Once again, the Dallas market is twice the size of the Houston market. While it is busy getting grease all over everything, Dallas is delving far more into the Houston market than the other way around. Or, just keep score with the industrial real estate market in both areas. The Dallas - Fort Worth building of new warehouses will always be about twice that of Houston. It is Dallas that is like Atlanta and Chicago and not Houston.
Or, why did the Shops at Willow Bend in Plano fail as a huge upscale shopping mall? Well, the very wealthy in both north Dallas and Plano chose instead to commute the ten miles to shop at the golden retail Mecca of Dallas.

Or that there was too much retail built and the Dallas market was overrated/saturated

[TXT]

Originally Posted by binkyman

Once again, the Dallas market is twice the size of the Houston market. While it is busy getting grease all over everything, Dallas is delving far more into the Houston market than the other way around. Or, just keep score with the industrial real estate market in both areas. The Dallas - Fort Worth building of new warehouses will always be about twice that of Houston. It is Dallas that is like Atlanta and Chicago and not Houston.
Or, why did the Shops at Willow Bend in Plano fail as a huge upscale shopping mall? Well, the very wealthy in both north Dallas and Plano chose instead to commute the ten miles to shop at the golden retail Mecca of Dallas.

Wow, you do need therapy, BAD...Damn! Saying the Dallas market is twice a big as Houston exposes your ignorance, and will not make it come true. It's a Dallas fantasy, wake up you're dreaming. Dallas is fake, pretentious and jealous-hearted, nothing like Atlanta, Houston or Chicago. It's the 3rd largest city in Texas.

The shops at Willow Bend is a flop, it's the new Prestonwood Mall. Saks Fifth Avenue closed and left willow bend, so did Giorgio Armani and many others. They left because there is not enough $$$ in the Dallas market to float the OVERSATURATION of luxury stores, so many debut...then have to close and leave town. Plain and simple.

[RayStokes]

Originally Posted by TXT

Those lists are old, out-dated and erroneous. But a Dallas fan will ignore that.

Here's another list:

Saks Fifth Avenue (Both locations)
Bloomingdale's
Giorgio Armani
Barney's New York
Etc...

...Have all closed and left Dallas.

Yes it's a great story, one of many national publications giving Houston the edge over Dallas on luxury shopping, but Dallas boosters will 'pretend' they don't exist to stay well within their blissful state of denial, and instead spew confusion (binkyman/RayStokes) to divert attention from the facts. Maybe that makes you feel better about Dallas losing Saks Fifth Avenue (both locations), Bloomingdale's, Giorgio Armani, Barney's New York, etc...giving Houston a clear edge, even as Houston continues to expand luxury shopping. The poll is meaningless, a 'fake' salve for Dallas' luxury wounds.

And the 'intelligent sound minds' I speak of include others beyond City-Data posters, for example, those national financial and news/editorial publications that support my posts. Give it up, you've lost the dabate, but I think Dallas is building 6 new malls, so now they'll have one on every corner, lol. Maybe that will help, but today, Houston is the winner here.

You're a broken record. And you're intellectually dishonest if you're not going to address the fact that your national publications you've listed are talking about Walmarts and number of shopping centers and NOT luxury shopping. Or are you just going to admit you're clearly trolling at this point?


Also, why don't you go ahead and admit whose sock you are? "New York, New York" my a$$. You've been registered on this forum for days and nearly every post of yours has been in this thread other than one or two other Houston gloating threads. You're a Houston homer's sock that is clearly too embarrassed to use his real handle because you don't even believe what you're typing.

[binkyman]

Originally Posted by Trae713

Or that there was too much retail built and the Dallas market was overrated/saturated

Again, the market of Dallas - Fort Worth is twice that of Houston. So, if too much was built, then it was because people from other surrounding cities didn't travel to shop as they would do normally. I can remember reading something about that slow down. But things have turned around. If a New York retailer is going to build a store in Dallas, it is going to be for growth both of the Dallas - Fort Worth metropolitan area and even more so for its surrounding markets.

For example, people living in Midland / Odessa, Oklahoma City, Austin, East Texas, and Little Rock will travel to Dallas to shop before they go to Houston. The area has become the Chicago of the south. There is a lot of original upscale shopping unique to Dallas located in both Inwood Village and the Plaza at Preston Center that aren't even being taken into account.

This argument is mute. It is like arguing that the Houston Astros would hit more home runs as a minor league team than the Rangers are doing so as a major league team. The two cities aren't in the same league for cripes sake concerning the retail and wholesale industry so how can they be contrasted concerning their upscale shopping? The city of Dallas along with Chicago, Atlanta, Los Angeles, and Miami create the scale. As Houston is a very small player in the endeavor of creating the scale in retail, how can it be considered a major player in the selling of upscale?

This is nothing more than a wet dog soiling the carpet.

[binkyman]

Originally Posted by TXT

Wow, you do need therapy, BAD...Damn! Saying the Dallas market is twice a big as Houston exposes your ignorance, and will not make it come true. It's a Dallas fantasy, wake up you're dreaming. Dallas is fake, pretentious and jealous-hearted, nothing like Atlanta, Houston or Chicago. It's the 3rd largest city in Texas.

The shops at Willow Bend is a flop, it's the new Prestonwood Mall. Saks Fifth Avenue closed and left willow bend, so did Giorgio Armani and many others. They left because there is not enough $$$ in the Dallas market to float the OVERSATURATION of luxury stores, so many debut...then have to close and leave town. Plain and simple.

Even the Dallas Galleria in the same vicinity as Prestonwood Mall isn't in the same class as the Houston Galleria because Houston doesn't have Inwood, Lakewood, the Plaza at Preston Center, Highland Park Shopping Center, and North Park. In other words, the Dallas Galleria was being hurt for the same reason the Shops at Willow Bend was being hurt - in most instances, the many rich people living up in North Dallas chose to instead commute the ten miles further to shop at the golden shopping Mecca of Dallas.

And much of the oversaturation, as you put it, would result from outside stores competing with those original upscale stores that are unique to Dallas itself as Dallas is a major player in establishing what is the scale in the south.

Indeed, I can see Dallas overtaking Atlanta, Miami, and Los Angeles to become the clear cut leader in the wholesale and resale industry.

[ViolentMimes]

Originally Posted by TXT

Those lists are old, out-dated and erroneous. But a Dallas fan will ignore that.

Here's another list:

Saks Fifth Avenue (Both locations)
Bloomingdale's
Giorgio Armani
Barney's New York
Etc...

...Have all closed and left Dallas.

So? There are still more options even of they have closed