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View Poll Results: What choice(s) best desribes your feelings on legalizing marijuana
Yes, absolutely. And with no restrictions applied 36 34.29%
No, definitely not. Penalties should remain as they are under Texas law 12 11.43%
Legal, but with some minor fines for under an ounce 4 3.81%
Legal, but only for personal use. Sales should be restricted to state government control 38 36.19%
Allowed to grow your own, but not sell 17 16.19%
Allowed to grow your own, and sell. 10 9.52%
Legal only for medical use 14 13.33%
No opinion/not sure 2 1.90%
Other (please explain) 4 3.81%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 105. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 08-31-2013, 04:38 AM
 
Location: high plains
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Actually, your 'story' sounds about like most people I have known . About the most life-wasting thing you can do is hang around a bunch of high people while you are stone-cold sober.... They are about as opposite of funny as can be.
about the most life-wasting thing to do anytime is hang around a bunch of stone-cold sober people with no sense of humor. after trying some cannabis, though, you start seeing those stone-cold sober people as funnier, even when all of you are straight. the soberness almost seems absurdly funny. cannabis promotes tolerance and humor.
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Old 08-31-2013, 06:56 AM
 
Location: Wonderland
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about the most life-wasting thing to do anytime is hang around a bunch of stone-cold sober people with no sense of humor. after trying some cannabis, though, you start seeing those stone-cold sober people as funnier, even when all of you are straight. the soberness almost seems absurdly funny. cannabis promotes tolerance and humor.
There's a third option you're leaving out though.

You can also hang around a bunch of sober people who have an intelligent sense of humor. That's my choice!
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Old 09-01-2013, 12:48 PM
 
Location: Austin, TX
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There is an interesting Politifact.com article in the paper this morning. Toxicity-wise, pot safer than booze.

PolitiFact Florida | Pro-pot group claims marijuana is 'less toxic' than alcohol

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Gable, a retired professor of psychology at Claremont Graduate University in California, compared the toxicity of 20 abused substances using reports of experimental human and animal research and on published data of overdose fatalities.

"Two drinks makes you buzzy, 20 drinks puts you in the emergency room or the morgue," Gable said in a phone interview. "Ten is the safety ratio" for alcohol, among the most toxic recreational drugs, he said. The least physiologically toxic substances -- those requiring 100 to 1,000 times the effective dose to cause death -- included marijuana when ingested. He couldn’t find any cases of documented deaths from smoked marijuana "so the actual dose is a mystery."
"No drug is good for teenagers," he said, "but when it comes to the chances of immediate death by chemical toxicity, marijuana is about a hundred times less toxic than alcohol or cocaine."

Our ruling
An ad from the Marijuana Policy Project claims marijuana is "less toxic" than alcohol.
Our job as fact-checkers in this case is not to decide whether marijuana is good or harmful. We're focused on whether the drug in its natural form is "less toxic" than alcohol.
In that regard, science and statistics present a strong case:
  • Deaths or even trips to the hospital are much more likely due to alcohol;
  • Scientists could not find any documented deaths from smoking marijuana;
  • A study found the safety ratio for marijuana (the number of doses to cause death) is much greater than compared to alcohol. Put another way, marijuana is 100 times less toxic than alcohol.
Overall, we rate this claim Mostly True.


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Old 09-01-2013, 03:32 PM
 
Location: ITL (Houston)
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Yeah, but its official policy here in SF not to ticket people for weed. That's a bit different than officer discretion, which is hit-and-miss in Texas. That's why I say California has it right--few problems with the Feds, and tax benefits, great distribution, high quality, huge production, etc.
But you don't have it right. Full on legalization is the way to go, like Washington and Colorado. This way, you don't need to pay for medical cards to buy it.
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Old 09-01-2013, 10:47 PM
 
Location: Baghdad by the Bay (San Francisco, California)
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But you don't have it right. Full on legalization is the way to go, like Washington and Colorado. This way, you don't need to pay for medical cards to buy it.
But see, that's exactly the conundrum they are in right now--figuring out how to dispense it. Only this week the Feds agreed not to challenge the legal distribution of weed in CO and WA (there aren't any weed stores yet). But mark my words, the Feds will clamp down at some point, just as they did recently in California (semi-successfully).

The medical card is just a means of regulating the distribution. Anyone who wants to buy pot can get a card. It's like getting a prescription for glasses. Having that law in place satisfies the Feds and they leave everyone alone, as long as they play by the rules. It's when the dispensaries sell pot without the cards that the Feds start getting involved, because it becomes difficult to regulate.

There will be hiccups. You watch. The good news is, most are already saying that the Fed's statement this week that they wouldn't challenge CO and WA opens the door for California to be legal in the next election. CA has voted to remain on the sidelines twice, keeping its medical designation, since it is working so well.When a state as big and influential as CA finally goes fully legal (if the feds honor their decision not to interfere) it will open doors for many others. Maybe not Texas, but there will be others.
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Old 09-01-2013, 11:32 PM
 
Location: Denver
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But you don't have it right. Full on legalization is the way to go, like Washington and Colorado. This way, you don't need to pay for medical cards to buy it.
It's not fully legalized because you can't have more than an ounce. If I could have 55lbs in my car and show the cops and not end up in prison, THEN it's fully legalized.
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Old 09-01-2013, 11:55 PM
 
Location: ITL (Houston)
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It's not fully legalized because you can't have more than an ounce. If I could have 55lbs in my car and show the cops and not end up in prison, THEN it's fully legalized.
I don't even think you can do that with tobacco or alcohol. You will certainly raise some eyebrows at least. Besides, marijuana legalization is new. And do you really need to be carrying for than an ounce at a time anyway?
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Old 09-02-2013, 02:31 AM
 
Location: high plains
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But you don't have it right. Full on legalization is the way to go, like Washington and Colorado. This way, you don't need to pay for medical cards to buy it.
neither WA nor CO have "full legalization" and no state is likely to have that for years. there are many more "you can't do..." and "don't do..." than "sure, you can do that". most of what has been going on for decades and today and tomorrow is still illegal. that's the "regulation" part of the deal. it's just less likely to cause a bust and imprisonment. the cops can clamp down any time they want and pop you for almost anything (as always). after doing some time in jail, a good lawyer and a judge might get you out (as always). freedom and justice are still relative to the size of your bank account and color of your skin (as always).
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Old 09-02-2013, 11:04 PM
 
Location: Denver
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I don't even think you can do that with tobacco or alcohol. You will certainly raise some eyebrows at least. Besides, marijuana legalization is new. And do you really need to be carrying for than an ounce at a time anyway?
You can. Nothing wrong with having plenty of alcohol. I don't but I'm just saying.
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Old 09-02-2013, 11:30 PM
 
Location: ITL (Houston)
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You can. Nothing wrong with having plenty of alcohol. I don't but I'm just saying.
No, there are limits and it varies from state to state.
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