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Old 05-20-2023, 12:29 AM
 
Location: Austin, TX
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Originally Posted by ParaguaneroSwag View Post
ROD’s lease per square foot has been more expensive than HPV since 2021.

Somehow South Congress in Austin is more expensive than both.

ROD’s lease appreciated in value more than any shopping district in the world (percentage wise) in 2021 and for a good reason.
You’ll hear crickets from dallasboi on this one.
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Old 05-20-2023, 08:04 AM
 
Location: Houston/Austin, TX
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Just going to leave some information here.

ROD is a little bit larger than HPV as measured by total retail space. It also charges higher rent/leases per sq ft (while having more total retail space).

ROD being the more expensive one doesn’t necessarily make it the better one. There’s other things that affect prices. SoCo certainly isn’t on either ROD or HPV’s level (atleast from a shopping perspective) yet it’s the most expensive shopping district in Texas. This obviously just has to do with Austin being the most expensive city overall.

Both are consistently FULL. They have their store departures that get replaced fairly quickly.

All of this is not to say Houston is the superior shopping city. Which is better is your to the shopper and there’s plenty of things to Dallas’ favor. To name a few, there’s the historic Neiman Marcus and HPV has the legacy and history. In addition to Louis Vuitton having a larger presence there, they have a ranch there. And rolex has their NA regional offices in Dallas.

What it seems here is that dallasboi is focusing on Dallas’ strength and ignoring Houston’s. Now while ROD is a new development, it sits in a historic and wealthy neighborhood. Legacy is great, but when you don’t enhance it, you fall behind.

And losing sleep over something like this is just crazy. I might have to join the others on worrying about Dallasboi on this one.
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Old 05-20-2023, 10:53 AM
 
Location: Houston, Tx.
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Just going to leave some information here.

ROD is a little bit larger than HPV as measured by total retail space. It also charges higher rent/leases per sq ft (while having more total retail space).

ROD being the more expensive one doesn’t necessarily make it the better one. There’s other things that affect prices. SoCo certainly isn’t on either ROD or HPV’s level (atleast from a shopping perspective) yet it’s the most expensive shopping district in Texas. This obviously just has to do with Austin being the most expensive city overall.

Both are consistently FULL. They have their store departures that get replaced fairly quickly.

All of this is not to say Houston is the superior shopping city. Which is better is your to the shopper and there’s plenty of things to Dallas’ favor. To name a few, there’s the historic Neiman Marcus and HPV has the legacy and history. In addition to Louis Vuitton having a larger presence there, they have a ranch there. And rolex has their NA regional offices in Dallas.

What it seems here is that dallasboi is focusing on Dallas’ strength and ignoring Houston’s. Now while ROD is a new development, it sits in a historic and wealthy neighborhood. Legacy is great, but when you don’t enhance it, you fall behind.

And losing sleep over something like this is just crazy. I might have to join the others on worrying about Dallasboi on this one.

The bolded is CLASSIC boi
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Old 05-20-2023, 01:07 PM
 
Location: Dallas, Texas
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Here’s what HPV claims on its website. notice the number of qualifiers, which kind of make the claim meaningless:

“According to the Urban Land Institute, Highland Park Village was the first planned shopping center in the United States with a unified architectural style and stores facing in toward an interior parking area, all built and managed under a single ownership.”

Not quite the same as “first shopping center”.
Which is why I said “first self contained”. Not the first ever.
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Old 05-20-2023, 02:37 PM
 
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ROD’s lease per square foot has been more expensive than HPV since 2021.

Somehow South Congress in Austin is more expensive than both.

ROD’s lease appreciated in value more than any shopping district in the world (percentage wise) in 2021 and for a good reason.
Because HPV is FULL!!!.....With 10-Year locked leases......They don't have open space and sq footage available to take advantage of these "Inflation" hikes.......DUH!!!


Same for South Congress.....It has room to lease out....They can charge whoever whatever because the sought-out market (Dallas of Course)......is FULL!!....with waiting lists.


R.O.D should get that title....IT'S NEW!!!!........Every luxury store it adds will increase its value.

Example:

Look at both districts as 2 BIG glass Jars..........Both with equal Capacity........HPV's Jar is full to Capacity and now the only option left to do is to SWITCH out pennies for nickles...old nickles for new dimes...so on and so forth.

R.O.D's Jar is a quarter full....But it's adding coins briskly.!!.... So it's increasing Value Quickly...Even quicker than HPV because they're so full it takes forever for them to dig through that FULL to Capacity Jar of theirs to find pennies for nickles and nickles for dimes.....It's just too much hassle!!!..... Says the Brand that ended up giving up on the wait and opened in the Houston Galleria.
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Old 05-20-2023, 06:35 PM
 
Location: Houston, Tx.
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Because HPV is FULL!!!.....With 10-Year locked leases......They don't have open space and sq footage available to take advantage of these "Inflation" hikes.......DUH!!!


Same for South Congress.....It has room to lease out....They can charge whoever whatever because the sought-out market (Dallas of Course)......is FULL!!....with waiting lists.


R.O.D should get that title....IT'S NEW!!!!........Every luxury store it adds will increase its value.

Example:

Look at both districts as 2 BIG glass Jars..........Both with equal Capacity........HPV's Jar is full to Capacity and now the only option left to do is to SWITCH out pennies for nickles...old nickles for new dimes...so on and so forth.

R.O.D's Jar is a quarter full....But it's adding coins briskly.!!.... So it's increasing Value Quickly...Even quicker than HPV because they're so full it takes forever for them to dig through that FULL to Capacity Jar of theirs to find pennies for nickles and nickles for dimes.....It's just too much hassle!!!..... Says the Brand that ended up giving up on the wait and opened in the Houston Galleria.


You're keen on spouting a lot of stuff that you've yet to show proof of, besides an old Youtube video about malls in DFW.

Guess I'll be waiting forever.
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Old 05-20-2023, 10:05 PM
 
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You're keen on spouting a lot of stuff that you've yet to show proof of, besides an old Youtube video about malls in DFW.

Guess I'll be waiting forever.
Waiting for what???.....Go do your homework.
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Old 05-21-2023, 12:07 AM
 
Location: Houston, Tx.
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Waiting for what???.....Go do your homework.


You made the claim...so the burden of proof is on you.

As a sidenote, I did my homework LONG AGO...and there's nothing there. You're spouting what you WISH to be true...nothing more, nothing less.

No one ever said that DFW isn't a great shopping destination, especially in Texas. But all that "first, best, and brightest" fluff is EXTREMEMLY debatable at best, flat out WRONG at worst.


But I'm more than willing to be wrong. Just send me the proof...and I DON'T mean a Youtube video of some guy talking about everything BUT what the debate is about .
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Old 05-21-2023, 02:15 AM
 
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Just going to leave some information here.

ROD is a little bit larger than HPV as measured by total retail space. It also charges higher rent/leases per sq ft (while having more total retail space).

ROD being the more expensive one doesn’t necessarily make it the better one. There’s other things that affect prices. SoCo certainly isn’t on either ROD or HPV’s level (atleast from a shopping perspective) yet it’s the most expensive shopping district in Texas. This obviously just has to do with Austin being the most expensive city overall.

Both are consistently FULL. They have their store departures that get replaced fairly quickly.

All of this is not to say Houston is the superior shopping city. Which is better is your to the shopper and there’s plenty of things to Dallas’ favor. To name a few, there’s the historic Neiman Marcus and HPV has the legacy and history. In addition to Louis Vuitton having a larger presence there, they have a ranch there. And rolex has their NA regional offices in Dallas.

What it seems here is that dallasboi is focusing on Dallas’ strength and ignoring Houston’s. Now while ROD is a new development, it sits in a historic and wealthy neighborhood. Legacy is great, but when you don’t enhance it, you fall behind.

And losing sleep over something like this is just crazy. I might have to join the others on worrying about Dallasboi on this one.
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The bolded is CLASSIC boi
......OR...It's more like y'all won't acknowledge the Debt of caliber with shopping Dallas has...... And has BEEN KNOWN FOR.

But INSISTS that overnight a BRAND NEW District with no History in a less polished nice neighborhood(Yep...I said it) would be first up!.... We get it!!! Houston FINALLY has a place outside of The Galleria to house Luxury Brands......(A "MOCK" concept set-up of Dallas), Doesn't mean it's AUTOMATICALLY of equal Stature.

R.O.D is the toddler with Moma's shoes on walking perfectly in them!!!.."Like she grown!!"......






HPV is MOM!!!

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Old 05-21-2023, 06:35 AM
 
Location: Houston/Austin, TX
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Because HPV is FULL!!!.....With 10-Year locked leases......They don't have open space and sq footage available to take advantage of these "Inflation" hikes.......DUH!!!
HPV is not any more full than ROD. ROD being newer explains why it was the appreciated in value more than HPV. ROD today is more expensive by lease square footage today period. Not value appreciation. ROD is more expensive today than HPV today. The fact it surpasses HPV so fast shows that the prestige you claim HPV has doesn’t exist.
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