Texas - Great for business, bad for kids (Houston, San Antonio: transplants, sale)

[dihappy]

Originally Posted by Dopo

I don't see poor people in my neighborhood ... That means that there's no poverty in Texas

Is that how you come to logical conclusions

[dihappy]

Originally Posted by radiolibre99

It seems like conservatives tend to dismiss tangible solutions in favor of idealism.

"You can keep your government handout, I'll take liberty".

Dopo, once again you're talking to a wall. They think any program that betters the well being of people is liberalism which = socialism, which = communism, which = to the loss of liberty as we know it. It's silly and utterly weird, but that is just how the older generation conservative thinks. You can't budge them so don't try. Let time take care of things because people will notice that with the influx growth, Texas will need an active (and possibly activist) government to handle externalities. Relying on the private sector for all your growth is limited in scope. No city or state can sustain for that long without the government stepping in to handle stuff like what you posted about. People will wise up and stop acting immature about things and those canards like "pull yourself up by your bootstraps", will lose all meaning.

You mean like Detroit?

[radiolibre99]

Originally Posted by explorer2014

Apparently you've never been to Waco, TX or you would know I am not being so extreme. The most prestigious school district in the region provides iPads to kids. Waco ISD can barely afford the basics and most of the students are from low income families.

I'm no crazy liberal by any means but even I can see a problem with the way Texas does public schools. Creating a permanent underclass of people without much opportunity is a bad social experiment. Kids don't pick the families into which they are born and every child should be given the chance of a good education. It's also true that having an educated populace is a smart long run decision for any society.

They don't care, man. The presence of poverty means there's liberty. It's the price our society has to pay, according to them. If our resources were spread in a little more equitable manner there would be a loss of freedom. Don't you get it? That would be "socialism" and that's a slippery slope to tyranny.

[radiolibre99]

Originally Posted by dihappy

I'm happy to to disappoint you
I know you wanted to hear how bad my childhood was, or about how many sad and starving childhood friends i had, so you could cheer at the obviously misleading Title.

You make no sense. I was saying that just because you and your friends had a happy childhood doesn't negate the facts of the report, nor does it negate the hundreds of studies done on poverty in America.

Cons have a tendency to think their own small subjective lives trump well researched studies that don't confirm their own biases. Sorry but poverty in this country exists and its a major issue.

Just because you and other folk on the right don't consider it an issue and think the "I-phones in the ghetto" canard is a legitimate argument doesn't make facts go away.

[lonestar2007]

Originally Posted by radiolibre99

They don't care, man. The presence of poverty means there's liberty. It's the price our society has to pay, according to them. If our resources were spread in a little more equitable manner there would be a loss of freedom. Don't you get it? That would be "socialism" and that's a slippery slope to tyranny.

You are certainly a preacher on a stump with a zealous mission, I'll give you that. But you say the strangest things, so it makes it extremely hard to find you credible to say the least.

I find it admirable that you can process such an innocent and naive approach towards correcting the ills of our society, while at the same time I find it both amusing and sad that you are filled with such disillusions.

Furthermore, I feel bad for you in that you feel the need to attack other people who do not think the same way as you do on your grand ideas of a perfect society. You say and I quote "They don't care, man. The presence of poverty means there's liberty". Is this some wild, crazy back lashing when you don't have any reasonable rebuttal? Maybe at this point we should all join together and shout a big rousing hallelujah?

I don't like to see poverty anymore than you or anyone else does and yes, I said anyone else because if you actually think there's a large majority of people that like to see others in poverty because "poverty means there's liberty", then you do have a warped way of thinking and for that, I feel sorry for you.

[Texan1010]

Originally Posted by radiolibre99

They don't care, man. The presence of poverty means there's liberty. It's the price our society has to pay, according to them. If our resources were spread in a little more equitable manner there would be a loss of freedom. Don't you get it? That would be "socialism" and that's a slippery slope to tyranny.

Nice way of generalizing a huge group of people. That goes to show how logical people similar to you are.

Hey look, I just saw one racist person in Texas, therefore the whole state is racist...

[ipuck]

//www.city-data.com/forum/new-y...d-liberal.html

There is a lively discussion in NYC forum on liberal polices in America.

Of course, Dopo going to call me a racist for pointing out the obvious.

[radiolibre99]

Originally Posted by lonestar2007

You are certainly a preacher on a stump with a zealous mission, I'll give you that. But you say the strangest things, so it makes it extremely hard to find you credible to say the least.

I find it admirable that you can process such an innocent and naive approach towards correcting the ills of our society, while at the same time I find it both amusing and sad that you are filled with such disillusions.

Furthermore, I feel bad for you in that you feel the need to attack other people who do not think the same way as you do on your grand ideas of a perfect society. You say and I quote "They don't care, man. The presence of poverty means there's liberty". Is this some wild, crazy back lashing when you don't have any reasonable rebuttal? Maybe at this point we should all join together and shout a big rousing hallelujah?

I don't like to see poverty anymore than you or anyone else does and yes, I said anyone else because if you actually think there's a large majority of people that like to see others in poverty because "poverty means there's liberty", then you do have a warped way of thinking and for that, I feel sorry for you.

When ever someone rebuts positions conservatives hold dear, even in jest, it's an "attack" on people who don't agree with liberalism or whatnot, but conservatives on this forum and all throughout the politics CD forum "attack" liberal and people on the left with outright zeal.

I was saying that in a lot of right wing rhetoric, the presence of inequality is a a staple of a good society because it means wealth isn't being redistributed. Problems, if I read conservative jargon correctly, are not systemic but a matter of individual responsibility and personal choices. Blaming it on systemic issues would take the blame away on the individual and into society and that can't be done because it would make the individuals suffering the brunt of poverty victims. Actually enacting programs to help them only makes the situation worse because it doesn't teach them responsibility though tough love.
In right wing thinking things are largely naturally fixed and thus any attempt to right the wrongs socially is "utopian naive attempt". Poverty is just as natural as the sun rising and setting. It's human nature, etc etc etc .

Appeals to nature, subjective reasoning, anacedotal evidence may be how you dismiss the facts of the report the OP cited but it doesnt make the report any less true.

In closing I've never said that any of you like seeing poverty but that many of you excuse it away.

[LeagleEagleDFW]

Originally Posted by Texan1010

Nice way of generalizing a huge group of people. That goes to show how logical people similar to you are.

Hey look, I just saw one racist person in Texas, therefore the whole state is racist...

"I see lots of fat kids in Texas so there can't be any food insecure children."

"My childhood growing up was great so there can't be anything wrong with Texas."

"All poor people need to do is just find a job and cut out cell phones!"

[Texan1010]

Originally Posted by LeagleEagleDFW

"I see lots of fat kids in Texas so there can't be any food insecure children."

"My childhood growing up was great so there can't be anything wrong with Texas."

"All poor people need to do is just find a job and cut out cell phones!"

You do realize I was referencing towards radiolibre99's generalization of a whole group of people merely based off of some individuals' views. I wasn't adopting the bottom portion my comment as my own, I was giving an example of how he is creating a paradox by pointing out faults in individuals who have differing views than his.

People need to stop generalizations, both Republican and Democrats. Get a grip on yourselves. Don't label a whole group of people based off of a handful. Sheesh.