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Old 04-15-2018, 09:23 AM
 
Location: MO->MI->CA->TX->MA
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Austin: San Jose, CA

El Paso: Albuquerque

Midland: Bakersfield, CA

Dallas: Los Angeles

San Antonio: Orlando

Marfa: Berkeley, CA

Amarillo: Oklahoma City

Houston: tough.. maybe NYC
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Old 04-15-2018, 09:46 AM
 
Location: Fort Worth, TX
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MarfA: Berkeley? What the hell? I've been to Berkeley and just don't see it other than in terms of politics and attitude among some residents.
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Old 04-15-2018, 09:58 AM
 
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I have lived in both Phoenix and Dallas. I transplanted to both places. There's more similarity than you acknowledge, but I agree with your overall point that there are more similar cities to Dallas besides Phoenix.

The biggest difference between Phoenix and Dallas is the business climate. The business climate was the primary reason that I left Phoenix for Dallas. For a city of its size, Phoenix is woefully inadequate on quality of jobs. Phoenix has very few notable corporate HQs for a city of size. This has gotten even worse since I left, as in 2017, consumer products giant Henkel (parent of the Dial Corporation) left Phoenix. Much of it is because Phoenix was a nothing of a city prior to advent/mass market of air conditioning in the 1950s. Dallas had more of a population base prior to the 1950s than Phoenix.

If you are wealthy in Phoenix, it is likely that you brought your wealth in from somewhere else. The best way to live in Phoenix is to make your money somewhere else (NYC metro, Chicago, or California are common examples in the more affluent Phoenix population) and then move to Phoenix once you are more affluent. There are two common ways this is done: A person around age 45 or so will take a senior executive position there and then serve out the last 15 or so years of their career there or someone will retire there in their 60s.

I made the mistake of having Phoenix be the first city I lived in after finishing undergrad and I found it very difficult to establish a career there.

The Hispanic population as a percentage of population is similar in Dallas County to Maricopa County.

There is similarity in the nightlife and mating scenes in the cities. Old Town Scottsdale and Uptown Dallas have a similar vibe. There are many physically fit, attractive women with bad attitudes populating the bar scenes in both cities. There is sort of an "Image is Everything" mentality in both cities.

Phoenix is unsustainable, but there are certainly sustainable concerns in Dallas.

Overall, the Dallas metro area has been a better fit for me. The stronger business climate in Dallas has been a big reason for this. Additionally, the quality of people in Dallas is better from my vantage point.
Dallas county may have a similar Latino population % but the MSA as a whole is less than that of the Phoenix MSA (~ 29% vs. 41% in Phoenix). Phoenix is a little younger as well. There are sustainable concerns for sure in D/FW due to growth and water. Favorably, Texas has recognized such and just broke ground on another lake northeast of D/FW that should be open within 4 years. I think unless Arizona secures another water source it and Vegas are in for big trouble. At least California can fund desalinization plants to convert seawater and gets winter snowpack creation. I can see those in the desert moving eastward or northward to escape what could be problematic.
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Old 04-15-2018, 11:38 AM
 
Location: Willowbend/Houston
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Dallas county may have a similar Latino population % but the MSA as a whole is less than that of the Phoenix MSA (~ 29% vs. 41% in Phoenix). Phoenix is a little younger as well. There are sustainable concerns for sure in D/FW due to growth and water. Favorably, Texas has recognized such and just broke ground on another lake northeast of D/FW that should be open within 4 years. I think unless Arizona secures another water source it and Vegas are in for big trouble. At least California can fund desalinization plants to convert seawater and gets winter snowpack creation. I can see those in the desert moving eastward or northward to escape what could be problematic.
Youre number on the Phoenix MSA's Hispanic population is inaccurate. DFW by metro area is 28.5% Hispanic and Phoenix by metro area is 30.5% Hispanic. Not a big difference especially considering how much larger DFW is. DFW has 2,065,000 Hispanics and Phoenix has 1,425,000 Hispanics.
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Old 04-15-2018, 11:51 AM
 
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I think unless Arizona secures another water source it and Vegas are in for big trouble.
I would not want to live in Phoenix, Tucson, or Las Vegas at this point. Some of the smaller Arizona cities are decent places to live if you don't have to worry about making a living.

Dallas is a good place to live on a day-to-day basis, but not really a good place to vacation. Both Phoenix/Tucson, and the smaller Arizona cities (Sedona, Flagstaff, Payson, Prescott) are great places to visit, decent places for retirement, but not at all good for living while one is in their prime working years.
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Old 04-16-2018, 11:38 AM
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Location: Fort Worth
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Austin: San Jose, CA

El Paso: Albuquerque

Midland: Bakersfield, CA

Dallas: Los Angeles

San Antonio: Orlando

Marfa: Berkeley, CA

Amarillo: Oklahoma City

Houston: tough.. maybe NYC
No offense, but this isnt serious is it?
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Old 04-16-2018, 11:48 AM
 
Location: Georgia native in McKinney, TX
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No offense, but this isnt serious is it?
They might have gotten El Paso/Albuquerque but that's about it. Not even OKC and Amarillo are a good match.
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Old 04-16-2018, 11:49 AM
 
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Dallas is a good place to live on a day-to-day basis, but not really a good place to vacation.
So true. I always tell people that Dallas is a great place to live and work, but sucks as far as vacation/visiting. But there are also places that are great to vacation in and visit but crappy to live or work in, so I guess there's that.
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Old 04-16-2018, 11:53 AM
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Location: Fort Worth
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They might have gotten El Paso/Albuquerque but that's about it. Not even OKC and Amarillo are a good match.
I can kinda see San Antonio to Orlando and maybe Austin to San Jose, but thoae are stretches.

Houston is more like L.A. on msore ways than you can count, so Dallas is wrong.

The ONLY city that OKC comes even close to relating to (and vice versa) is Ft. Worth.
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Old 04-16-2018, 12:18 PM
 
Location: Georgia native in McKinney, TX
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I can kinda see San Antonio to Orlando and maybe Austin to San Jose, but thoae are stretches.

Houston is more like L.A. on msore ways than you can count, so Dallas is wrong.

The ONLY city that OKC comes even close to relating to (and vice versa) is Ft. Worth.
That San Antonio and Orlando both have a Sea World is the only thing I see there....

OKC and Fort Worth, good one.


Houston and Dallas are closer to other boomtown sunbelt cities.... Phoenix, Las Vegas, Atlanta, Miami than either LA or NYC
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