How anti Texas are city data forum posters? (Houston, Dallas: tornado, income)

[Treasurevalley92]

Originally Posted by Irishtom29

Great books. How about the chapter in the first called “The Sad Irons” about the incredible amount of harsh labor a woman on a farm had to do before rural electrification?

Yes, a common southern farm practice was to work the land to ruin and then move on, leaving in their wake ruined soils and scrubby woods. Large areas of the southeast that were farmlands in the 17th, 18th and 19th Centuries are now woods. It seems to me that those areas of the Hill Country in the best shape are those settled by land thrifty Germans.

Oh yeah, that was a hard chapter to read, life was hard back then. One of the big reasons I've never identified as an ideological libertarian is based on how much the public/private electrification vastly improved the lives of rural folks.

Interesting on the farming practices. A certain part of me wants to agree: Poor White Southern Farmers were often poorly equipped or educated in taking care of their farm land, despite the advantages the south has for growing things. The German, Polish, and Scandinavian farmers of the midwest and upper midwest were much more productive than their scotch-irish or poor English southern counterparts to the south.

Regardless though, the hill country might have fooled lots of people. The soil looked rich, so people probably though "Oh boy, we found another Iowa" when really it just went a few inches. The dust bowl was the same thing that happened a generation later up in the Texas Panhandle, Colorado, and Oklahoma.

[Treasurevalley92]

Originally Posted by bluescreen73

I've been following this thread primarily for chuckles, but I saw something yesterday that plays right into what some people have said. I'm in Seattle for work. It's my first time here. I'm riding the light rail from Sea-Tac to downtown and out the window what do I see? Someone proudly displaying their huge Texas flag over their apartment balcony.

Texas is the only state I've ever lived in where the state pride is crammed down your throat on a daily basis, and Texans are the only folks I've encountered who'll move to a different state and then make their new house look like their home state threw up all over it.

Yeah and as much as I've heard people **** about Californians moving to Texas, I have yet to see a single Republic of California Flag outside of California. Like, Ever. I bet most Texans don't even know what the Republic of California Flag looks like, and it's one of the cooler looking state flags too. Ditto for Alaska which has an awesome state flag as well.

[Irishtom29]

Originally Posted by Treasurevalley92

The German, Polish, and Scandinavian farmers of the midwest and upper midwest were much more productive than their scotch-irish or poor English southern counterparts to the south.

As were the New Englanders and upstate New Yorkers who flooded Illinois after the Erie Canal opened and who tackled the Grand Prairie, John Deere being the most famous. After these farmers left New England’s harsh rocky soil for the Midwest large areas of New England reverted to woods.

[Beardown91737]

I am one of the more anti-Texas posters on C-D, but my job was moved to Collin County and since I was in my late 50s and it was in the stagnating economy of the first part of this decade, I felt compelled to move and hang on to my income.

Most of my dislike comes from the Texans I encountered in Illinois and California, who were economic refugees from the 1980s, consistently talking about the greatness they left behind, how much better things would have been done back in their home state. However, I will say that these refugees did educate me on the deceptiveness of the Mercator Projection map.

People I encounter now in CoCo are very nice and I work hard to be nice to them and when they ask me how I like Texas, I tell them the people here are nice.

Originally Posted by TexasHorseLady

Lots of people need someone or somewhere or something to be prejudiced against and are really addicted to their stereotypes. Some of them choose Texas. Oddly enough, it's often the ones who most loudly proclaim their objections to other people being prejudiced against groups of people, but have an inability to see that they themselves are prejudiced against a state of 26,000,000+ and counting.

I find that Texan's second favorite obsession (after Texas itself) is with California. I just finished listening to the concession speech of one of your senate candidates, and in the first 10 minutes, there were probably 20 comments in the live chat referencing California, plus you see a lot of "don't Cali my Texas" on forums and social media. I really don't think that can happen but I am willing to help you reform your insane property taxes like CA did in the 1970s.

Originally Posted by DTXman34

This has been my experience as well. You forgot to mention obnoxious, greedy, and snobby mega-burbs like Frisco who refuse to cooperate in order to make DFW a more sustainable and livable place. Arlington is another major offender. I really can't think of any other metro with suburbs filled with such big egos than the ones in DFW. It's not like they offer something truly unique or significant. Their whole role is to continue to exacerbate sprawl, classism, and redundancy (endless corporate chains). You see this "attitude" played out on the Dallas C-D forum where posters will argue to death over PSAT NMQST Scholars, SAT scores, etc. between the top 5 high schools in DFW.

Ironically, Texans will not only tell you how great Texas is, but then will continue by telling you how messed up the rest of Texas is. But yeah, the Dallas forum does argue about those kind of things, because they can't really argue over how rich they are or who has the better ocean view.

[malcorub16]

From my point of view, California gets way more hate on this forum than Texas. California gets alot of hate on the Texas forum as well which seems weird to me. Many Texan's have a weird obsession with California and it's mostly politically driven.

[kemahkami]

Originally Posted by Treasurevalley92

Basically, in summery, Texans talk a big game about Texas, People visit and aren't impressed, and Texas yell about Texas even more loudly in respond to that to the point where they look silly talking about how they don't care what other people think, but actually, they really do.

Eh, there's definitely more out there that can't stand the thought of people actually having a genuine liking towards Texas...especially in certain metrics. To them, anyone that likes Texas is "deplorable" in some form or fashion. Nuance and logic go out the window, in favor of biased rhetoric.

Originally Posted by Treasurevalley92

This response right here sums it up. Texans can't take any objective criticism.

How, when most of the criticism is towards subjective metrics?

[Treasurevalley92]

Originally Posted by ScrappyJoe

Eh, there's definitely more out there that can't stand the thought of people actually having a genuine liking towards Texas...especially in certain metrics. To them, anyone that likes Texas is "deplorable" in some form or fashion. Nuance and logic go out the window, in favor of biased rhetoric.

That sounds like a victim narrative to me couched in political language using words like "Deplorable." No, I don't dump on Texas for being a Red State, I come from a Redder State, don't be so narcissistic.

[kemahkami]

Originally Posted by Treasurevalley92

That sounds like a victim narrative to me couched in political language using words like "Deplorable."

Nope, just telling it like it is. Frankly, the "excessive Texan pride" issue, in many cases, is simply a strawman created by those who can't stand the thought of liking Texas.

No, I don't dump on Texas for being a Red State, I come from a Redder State, don't be so narcissistic.

My post was in general, it wasn't referring to you specifically.

[MarshaBrady1968]

Born and raised mostly in Corpus Christi, but half the year in Denver with my dad
Moved to Austin, then Dallas
Los Angeles, back to Dallas
Oregon and Washington, back to Dallas
Not lived, but lots of long stints in Boston because of my old job

Never had "Texas pride" though a native Texan. Don't understand it either. Even as a kid, became a Broncos fan and never looked back. Noticed when I would visit my dad that other kids did not say "Y'all" and "Fixin' to" so I very quickly realized how backwoods that was and changed it immediately. I always felt like I didn't belong here, and yet, here I am.

My old screen name on here was "TexasIsOnlyOK" but I couldn't remember my password, so I have a new one now-LOL

Anyway, you may ask" why are you back then?? Go back to the west coast you left-loving socialist!" from those with "true Texas pride". Texas is where my husband's family and other kids are, where my kids are/were in high school and had friends. Texas (Dallas, anyway), is an easy place to live- as in day-to-day life: driving (though getting worse!), schools, streets, buildings, no state tax, easy to find gainful employment.

I suspect there are others like me, who are here because it is easy for the above reasons, but who, like me, feel like an outcast most of the time, and do not embrace the traditional culture.

I can tell you I could only stomach Dallas or Austin if I continue to be stuck here, and I would not complain, because yes, I can move (or can soon when the last kiddo graduates). But I also would never have the ridiculous Texas pride, though moving away did make me appreciate many things that I had previously taken for granted.

[malcorub16]

Originally Posted by MarshaBrady1968

Never had "Texas pride" though a native Texan. Don't understand it either. Even as a kid, became a Broncos fan and never looked back. Noticed when I would visit my dad that other kids did not say "Y'all" and "Fixin' to" so I very quickly realized how backwoods that was and changed it immediately. I always felt like I didn't belong here, and yet, here I am.
.

I moved to California from Texas 15 years ago when i was 21 and I remember getting picked on for being of Mexican heritage and saying "y'all", not anything too mean, just some jabs from friends. I haven't used "yall" in over 14 years and now it even sounds kind of foreign to me when I go to San Antonio and hear people use it. Maybe not foreign, but I notice is it right away as soon as I am back.