A Reflection of Houston and Dallas after years in both.... (Austin: layoffs, schools)

[Treasurevalley92]

Originally Posted by War Beagle

I agree with the OPs analysis. I found the sports thing amusing. Houstonians think they have a sports rivalry with Dallas, but I'm not sure the feeling is reciprocated. The NFL is the starkest example - there are almost no Texan fans outside of Houston metro.

I've you've evern seen the maps of most popular team by country I think the Texans and Astros are the most popular team in a grand total of about 5-10 counties each. The Rangers on the other hand are the most popular baseball team in most of Texas, and The Cowboys, not just Texas, but several other states have counties that are "Cowboys Country"

Just last week I was at a Halloween party and there was a girl who went as a Texan's player.

"Oh cool, you are from Houston right?" "Yes, I though, what are people in Dallas more scared of than a Houston Texan, so that's what I dressed as!" All 5 of us in the circle burst out laughing. "Hey, we beat you this year!!!" Continued laughing... "HEY, YOU SUCK, WE BEAT YOU!" she was yelling. "LOL ok, let me know when you win a superbowl LOL." Sorry, we just don't care about the Texans. Actually, almost no one does. Houston has to be like 1/4 Cowboys fans.

We are supposedly baseball rivals, but the rivalry is really really young, and the Rangers have been bad the whole time, so honestly, we don't care, we probably have a bigger rivalry with the Blue Jays. Maybe over that time it will develop, but at the moment, no one in Dallas cares, lots of us even rooted for the Stros when they won their world series. I don't know of any other team's fans who would do that.

Dallas Basketball fans care way more about the Spurs than the Rockets, who are more of an afterthought.

Houston doesn't even have hockey.......

All in all, from a Dallas perspective, there isn't much of a rivalry.

[War Beagle]

Originally Posted by Treasurevalley92

I've you've evern seen the maps of most popular team by country I think the Texans and Astros are the most popular team in a grand total of about 5-10 counties each. The Rangers on the other hand are the most popular baseball team in most of Texas, and The Cowboys, not just Texas, but several other states have counties that are "Cowboys Country"

Yep, that nap is what I based my statement on. The Texans area was possibly the most pathetic with the sole exception of the Jets. I also travel throughout south eastern and south Texas for work, so I have anecdotal evidence also.

There are Astros fans throughout the southern part of the state, though i agree the rangers are bigger overall. Corpus having the Hooks probably helps.

But once you leave the Houston metro, no one cares about the Texans - no one. South Texas is cowboy country for sure. Even the Beaumont area isn't Texan because a lot of them are for the saints.

[Treasurevalley92]

Originally Posted by War Beagle

Yep, that nap is what I based my statement on. The Texans area was possibly the most pathetic with the sole exception of the Jets. I also travel throughout south eastern and south Texas for work, so I have anecdotal evidence also.

There are Astros fans throughout the southern part of the state, though i agree the rangers are bigger overall. Corpus having the Hooks probably helps.

But once you leave the Houston metro, no one cares about the Texans - no one. South Texas is cowboy country for sure. Even the Beaumont area isn't Texan because a lot of them are for the saints.

Yep, my buddy from Beaumont and my other buddy from Corpus are both Cowboys fans.

The Oilers moving probably didn't help Houston football. The Oilers had some of the freshest, most iconic uniforms and a great Houston sounding name. Honestly the Texans have some of the most boring uniforms and probably the dumbest name in the NFL. This is made worse by the fact they they aren't Texas's team even in the slightest.

Not going to lie, this post is the most I have thought about the Texans in months lol

[SanJac]

And now you know why Houstonians complain about the "people" when it comes to Dallas, and Dallasites complain about the Houston topography or industrial side of town. Can't tell you how many Dallasites call Houston the "armpit" of Texas. The arrogance and ignorance is annoying for any Houstonian. :-)

[Treasurevalley92]

Originally Posted by SanJac

And now you know why Houstonians complain about the "people" when it comes to Dallas, and Dallasites complain about the Houston topography or industrial side of town. Can't tell you how many Dallasites call Houston the "armpit" of Texas. The arrogance and ignorance is annoying for any Houstonian. :-)

The truth is that Houston is the least physically attractive city of any size in Texas.

Yes, of course there are some very beautiful neighborhoods in Houston, and yeah there is alot of green, but over all it isn't very attractive city.

Can you take cool and interesting photos there? Yes, of course. Are there some cool and interesting views to be had? Yes, of course. Just like an insta moddel though, it's all about the angles, most of Houston, most of the time is not particularly pretty.

And you guys are right up there with Dallas for terrible weather, one of only a couple cities that has a worse summer than we do.


That doesn't mean I don't like Houston, I actually really like Houston. It's so fugly and jumbled, I see a type of beauty in the disorder.

Houston is big, ugly, sticky and dynamic. I mean that in the best way possible.

Dallas isn't free of it's own industrial areas either and isn't a pretty metro either, so it's basically a case of the pot calling the kettle black.

[Mr. Clutch]

Yep, agree with all the posters about the sports "rivalry". It's not really a thing in Dallas. The Texans are certainly not national and barely hold Houston from Cowboys and Saints fans. I don't think the Rockets/Mavs rivalry is really much of a thing because the teams haven't ever both been really good at the same time - during the Hakeem era the Mavs were generally terrible, during the Dirk era the Rockets were average to below average, and now in the Harden era the Mavs have generally been pretty bad. I'm pretty sure the Astros have made some headway on the Rangers over the last few years though, I'd love to see an updated version of the fan map in 2018. They seem to have a pretty active national fanbase in a lot of the legacy baseball cities at this point - not sure how true that is of the Rangers. Like the Texans, their very name kind of sets them up to be more of a regional team.

Though the people probably generally pay about the same amount of attention to the other metro (not much), I think the civic leadership and talking heads in Dallas pay a LOT more attention to Houston than the reverse. A lot of this probably has to do with the fact that more Dallas jobs are tied to and support the Houston economy than the reverse. I rarely see anything negative in the Houston paper about Dallas outside of sports-related articles (of which there are many). In the DMN, its a whole different story - if there's any random list in the world done by anyone that puts Dallas above Houston (or Austin for that matter), about anything, the DMN will crow about it. If Dallas is not at the forefront, that very same publication will likely not even mention it.

I guess I kinda see it as Houston more sees Dallas as a sports rival, but not really an economic rival. In Dallas, the reverse is more true imo.

[As Above So Below...]

Originally Posted by Mr. Clutch

I guess I kinda see it as Houston more sees Dallas as a sports rival, but not really an economic rival. In Dallas, the reverse is more true imo.

I can see that. I will say I still the rivalry is more of thing in Houston on the whole, but the times I have heard Dallasites get competitive with Houston, its had more to do with economics.

[SanJac]

I think your post is spot on.

Also, the Rangers got popular in the State when they were good and the Astros were bad. Thanks to Nolan Ryan the Rangers took away the Astros minor league location in Round Rock. Now that Ryan is back with the Astros, Round Rock is again an Astros affiliate for the next 4 years. The Astros I'm sure have regained popularity in Texas and Louisiana. They will compete for titles for the next few years. I also read recently in Forbes that the Astros are now one of the more financially lucrative franchises in all of MLB - ahead of the Rangers.

The Cowboys are in a class of their own. Nobody can deny that. The Texans though own Houston. There are a lot of Cowboys fans here and some Saints fans, but not near enough to overshadow the Texans fans.

[Treasurevalley92]

Originally Posted by As Above So Below...

I can see that. I will say I still the rivalry is more of thing in Houston on the whole, but the times I have heard Dallasites get competitive with Houston, its had more to do with economics.

Usually in my experience if a Dallasite doesn't like Houston it goes more along the lines of "Ew, Houston is gross, flat, ugly and really humid"

People, sports and economics hardly ever come up in my experience at least.

Though TBH, all of my fellow transplant friends and myself like Houston. I mean the cities have so much in common that I figure if I really hated Houston I couldn't really like Dallas that much either.

[Treasurevalley92]

Originally Posted by Mr. Clutch

Though the people probably generally pay about the same amount of attention to the other metro (not much), I think the civic leadership and talking heads in Dallas pay a LOT more attention to Houston than the reverse. A lot of this probably has to do with the fact that more Dallas jobs are tied to and support the Houston economy than the reverse. I rarely see anything negative in the Houston paper about Dallas outside of sports-related articles (of which there are many). In the DMN, its a whole different story - if there's any random list in the world done by anyone that puts Dallas above Houston (or Austin for that matter), about anything, the DMN will crow about it. If Dallas is not at the forefront, that very same publication will likely not even mention it.

I've seen the Houston Chronicle run similar articles. https://www.chron.com/life/article/H...as-3628080.php

https://www.dallasobserver.com/news/...-wave-11289615