Texas being excluded from the South (Houston, Dallas: homes, safe, architecture)

[KathrynAragon]

LOL I never worry about any of this - it's just entertainment to me. And free at that (you get what you pay for, right?).

[Soonhun]

I mean't diversity in terms of local culture, not ethnic or racial diversity
Which you yourself point out by dividing up the South and talking about the differences between Texas, Florida, and the Deep South. Although, that said, I don't know wny region of the US that has demographics morr diverse than the South throughout the entire region. Maybe Northeast, but that's only because of how physically large the Bos-Was corridor is with the rest of the region being also pretty monolithically White.

[soletaire]

Originally Posted by Parhe

I mean't diversity in terms of local culture, not ethnic or racial diversity
Which you yourself point out by dividing up the South and talking about the differences between Texas, Florida, and the Deep South. Although, that said, I don't know wny region of the US that has demographics morr diverse than the South throughout the entire region. Maybe Northeast, but that's only because of how physically large the Bos-Was corridor is with the rest of the region being also pretty monolithically White.

Not only that, but (at least in the case of Houston and East Texas, the large hispanic population actually isnt old at all. The large hispanic population presence in Houston is fairly recent (as in, within the last 100 years)

[MustermannBB]

Originally Posted by Parhe

Don't be so narrow minded. The South is more than the Southeast. One of the beauties of the South is specifically how diverse it is. As for why El Paso is part of the South and Arizona is not, El Paso is a part of Texas and, as a result, practiced slavery, seceded from the US for the Confederacy, and is defined as part of the South by the US government and its agencies. What someone else from somewhere else thinks generally does not have an influence on what I am or what I believe I am.

@ScrappyJoe, while it may be easy repeating the same old sayings everyone knows,, you haven't actually made a decent argument.

IMHO it is narrow minded to use things from over a 100 years ago to suggest that these 2 cities are southern, when the reality and present on the ground shows nothing of this. If cities like SA or El Paso simply are southern because way back then they can be connected to slavery and the Confederacy, then the south as a culture in today's world is pretty much made meaningless.

[Saintmarks]

Originally Posted by MustermannBB

IMHO it is narrow minded to use things from over a 100 years ago to suggest that these 2 cities are southern, when the reality and present on the ground shows nothing of this. If cities like SA or El Paso simply are southern because way back then they can be connected to slavery and the Confederacy, then the south as a culture in today's world is pretty much made meaningless.

OK, i get the El Paso distinction of not being a southern city and it being more like a Tucson or Albuquerque, but what makes San Antonio equivalent with it? Hispanic population?

What makes someone of Hispanic descent not be considered southern? My daughter-in-law's father is a third generation Texan of full Mexican descent who is very southern in his outlook. Born and raised in Fort Worth his accent, his world view, raised Southern Baptist, foods, etc, etc... southern all the way. The only difference he and I have is his skin is more olive. Other than that he is as southern as I am. He would be a fish out of water if he went to Mexico.

[MustermannBB]

Originally Posted by Saintmarks

OK, i get the El Paso distinction of not being a southern city and it being more like a Tucson or Albuquerque, but what makes San Antonio equivalent with it? Hispanic population?

What makes someone of Hispanic descent not be considered southern? My daughter-in-law's father is a third generation Texan of full Mexican descent who is very southern in his outlook. Born and raised in Fort Worth his accent, his world view, raised Southern Baptist, foods, etc, etc... southern all the way. The only difference he and I have is his skin is more olive. Other than that he is as southern as I am. He would be a fish out of water if he went to Mexico.

The entire vibe in SA is not southern. If you'd go to Richmond and then to SA you would not say that these two cities are similar culturally. Otherwise we might as well call all cities in the US, that are not super dense and/or on west coast or in the North East coats area "southern".


BTW I'm curios, what would you consider a southern world view?

[Saintmarks]

Originally Posted by MustermannBB

The entire vibe in SA is not southern. If you'd go to Richmond and then to SA you would not say that these two cities are similar culturally. Otherwise we might as well call all cities in the US, that are not super dense and/or on west coast or in the North East coats area "southern".


BTW I'm curios, what would you consider a southern world view?

You think you are southern and you don't have a problem with it and don't go on web discussion sites and try and distance yourself from being a southerner.

[MustermannBB]

Originally Posted by Saintmarks

You think you are southern and you don't have a problem with it and don't go on web discussion sites and try and distance yourself from being a southerner.

[Treasurevalley92]

Originally Posted by MustermannBB

The entire vibe in SA is not southern. If you'd go to Richmond and then to SA you would not say that these two cities are similar culturally. Otherwise we might as well call all cities in the US, that are not super dense and/or on west coast or in the North East coats area "southern".


BTW I'm curios, what would you consider a southern world view?

I disagree. I think the vibe in San Antonio is more southern than Dallas. Take a look at the King William neighborhood south of downtown:

https://www.google.com/maps/@29.4127...7i13312!8i6656

I consider being Texan just an offshoot of being southern, same as being a Virginian, or Kentuckian. They might have particular local pride.

None of these regions are monoliths. Michigan and South Dakota are both Midwestern. Sure South Dakota has a western vib and Michigan a more eastern vibe, but thats fine.

Utah, Colorado and Nevada all have different vibes, cultures, and radically different laws. They are all still the west.

I quite frankly don't see how being Hispanic disqualifies you from being a southerner any more than being a native american in the Dakotas would make you not a Midwesterner.

[Treasurevalley92]

Originally Posted by MustermannBB

The entire vibe in SA is not southern. If you'd go to Richmond and then to SA you would not say that these two cities are similar culturally. Otherwise we might as well call all cities in the US, that are not super dense and/or on west coast or in the North East coats area "southern".


BTW I'm curios, what would you consider a southern world view?

Go to NOLA and compare that to Richmond, you won't think they are even from the same planet.