Texas being excluded from the South (Fredericksburg, Cleveland: vacation, prestigious, dental)

[NorthTexasGuy]

Originally Posted by Frustratedintelligence

I agree wholeheartedly when we're talking about DFW. I do understand the reluctance of someone from Austin/SA and points west to identify with the south.

Originally Posted by Saintmarks

Had the misfortune of marrying a Texan, life brought me here. A family court judge in Cobb County GA allowed her to take my four young kids back to her people in Texas. Believe me I didn't want to come here but being a present dad is more important than making a big deal of where one lives. Hated it at first. But when I realized it was very much a southern place and not that different from Georgia in many, many aspects I liked it a lot better.

But who better to tell people that think Texan isn't southern than a dyed in the wool southerner who knows what the south is. This place is the south. Thru and thru. And I've spent most of my time in DFW, not far east Texas. This place is the south.

I've heard Midwesterners say this is the Midwest, you're yelling up down claiming this is the "south". Depending on what part of DFW you're in it might as well be India or Mexico, or Eastern California. I don't live far from you, and I've been in DFW all my life. McKinney, Allen, Frisco are all old small farm towns that have become large affluent suburban towns. They are both on the outskirts of DFW where most of the area use to be farms. There is plenty of remaining farmland but it is being pushed further and further back. Never the less, we do see plenty of farmers and ranchers in this area, good people with conservative values for the most part and that make up the rooted history of the Farm to Market (FM Roads) that exist in this area. There is a fare share of folks here that proudly display confederate battle flags as well. I don't care much for confederate anything but I do respect the southern heritage and history. There are people everywhere in the U.S with deep southern roots that hold on to that cultural.


So I can see how you feel somewhat more confortable now when you stated you reluctantly and by some misfortune had to move here with your wife's "people". The fact you didn't like it at first tells me you found it (Texas) different than what you were use to. Maybe you moved to East Dallas at first or East Plano; who knows, but McKinney... well, that's just right up your alley. Probably found you a hunting and fishing buddy. That's all good man, but it does not make this southern, it makes it Texas.


I'd rather hear you rant and rave on how great Georgia is than how you think Texas isn't; and then try to claim it based on how now, it reminds you of home.

[Saintmarks]

Originally Posted by NorthTexasGuy

I've heard Midwesterners say this is the Midwest, you're yelling up down claiming this is the "south". Depending on what part of DFW you're in it might as well be India or Mexico, or Eastern California. I don't live far from you, and I've been in DFW all my life. McKinney, Allen, Frisco are all old small farm towns that have become large affluent suburban towns. They are both on the outskirts of DFW where most of the area use to be farms. There is plenty of remaining farmland but it is being pushed further and further back. Never the less, we do see plenty of farmers and ranchers in this area, good people with conservative values for the most part and that make up the rooted history of the Farm to Market (FM Roads) that exist in this area. There is a fare share of folks here that proudly display confederate battle flags as well. I don't care much for confederate anything but I do respect the southern heritage and history. There are people everywhere in the U.S with deep southern roots that hold on to that cultural.


So I can see how you feel somewhat more confortable now when you stated you reluctantly and by some misfortune had to move here with your wife's "people". The fact you didn't like it at first tells me you found it (Texas) different than what you were use to. Maybe you moved to East Dallas at first or East Plano; who knows, but McKinney... well, that's just right up your alley. Probably found you a hunting and fishing buddy. That's all good man, but it does not make this southern, it makes it Texas.


I'd rather hear you rant and rave on how great Georgia is than how you think Texas isn't; and then try to claim it based on how now, it reminds you of home.

I didn't rant. I like Texas. I like it cause it's the south.

[NorthTexasGuy]

Originally Posted by Saintmarks

I didn't rant. I like Texas. I like it cause it's the south.

You and everyone else that want to claim it....

[kemahkami]

Originally Posted by NorthTexasGuy

You and everyone else that want to claim it....

LMAO, good one

[MustermannBB]

Originally Posted by Saintmarks

I didn't rant. I like Texas. I like it cause it's the south.

Texas is a bit more than McKinney. And even with McKinney, or North DFW as a whole, I disagree with it being southern thru and thru.


Or lets put it another way. If a person from some suburb in El Paso writes about it it reminds him/her of New Mexico and then declares that Texas is Southwestern thru and thru, would that make it so? I don't think so.

[biscuit_head]

https://tshaonline.org/handbook/online/articles/pcd01





^ That link has a dialect map of Texas. A lot of mix of Upland Southern and Plantation Southern English. A lot of Texans settled there from Tennessee, so it makes sense. Interesting the Midwestern Speech overlays in Dallas and Houston, when Dallas seems to have more of a midwestern influence.

[Ivory Lee Spurlock]

If the NE is large enough to be its own region, and Texas is 80,000 square miles larger than the NE, then Texas is large enough to be its own region.

Try looking at it from this angle - from East to West, Texas is further than Kansas City is to Denver and from North to South, it's further than New Orleans is to Hanibal, Missouri. It's further than Indianapolis is to the Gulf of Mexico. If that don't make a region, then I don't know what does.

[tcualum]

Originally Posted by Ivory Lee Spurlock

If the NE is large enough to be its own region, and Texas is 80,000 square miles larger than the NE, then Texas is large enough to be its own region.

Try looking at it from this angle - from East to West, Texas is further than Kansas City is to Denver and from North to South, it's further than New Orleans is to Hanibal, Missouri. It's further than Indianapolis is to the Gulf of Mexico. If that don't make a region, then I don't know what does.

I love how this very salient fact has been mentioned 3 times and those who argue that one state can't be its own region haven't directly addressed it. It's almost like they're cherry-picking.

[Frustratedintelligence]

Originally Posted by tcualum

I love how this very salient fact has been mentioned 3 times and those who argue that one state can't be its own region haven't directly addressed it. It's almost like they're cherry-picking.

Because state lines are completely arbitrary barriers that have little to nothing to do with culture. If Texas gets to claim to be its own region then so does every state.

[Soonhun]

Originally Posted by Frustratedintelligence

Because state lines are completely arbitrary barriers that have little to nothing to do with culture. If Texas gets to claim to be its own region then so does every state.

No one else said they couldn't.