Texas is not the South but the South wants it to be (Houston: sales, living)

[High_Plains_Retired]

Originally Posted by Treasurevalley92

Yeah, I mean I don't understand why everyone is so afraid of Texas being Southern.

Sure, there are some ugly parts of history, but it is what it is. Its history is southern, the people are for the most part southern or southern influenced, and they are generally nice people.

Most of the people who tried to reframe Texas as a Western State were actually Northerners who moved to Texas and didn't want the stigma of being "Southern"

Possibly so. No income tax and affordable real estate are bringing a lot of new folks in from all over.

[texasdiver]

I lived in Waco for a decade. It is most definitely southern. It has a history of segregation and was a hard-core Confederate city during the Civil War. https://www.humanitiestexas.org/news...ring-civil-war Was home to events like this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynchi...sse_Washington and even today, still has annual events like this: https://www.wacoan.com/waco-cotton-palace-queen-2019/

On the other hand, the big cities like Dallas, Austin, and Houston don't feel that Southern anymore, or even that Texan, for that matter due to the absolutely MASSIVE waves of migration from other parts of the US and rest of the world in the past 2 decades.

Texas is really at the crossroads of Southern, Western, and Hispanic cultures and can lay claim to all three.

[Oh Oh It's Magic]

The ignorant south wants all the support it can get.

[MustermannBB]

Originally Posted by Treasurevalley92

Where are you getting your numbers?? DFW is about 8 million, El Paso is about 1 million, and San Antonio and Austin are a little more and a little less than 2 million respectively.

Dallas is Southern in the sense that Chicago is Midwestern. Most of them get their transplants from their Region (South and Midwest respectively)

Louisiana, Georgia and Alabama are the Deep South. That is different from other southern subregions...upper south for example.

Dallas is Southern in the way that a big transplant filled southern city is Southern. Dallas used to be the biggest inland Cotton Market. Dallas is home to Southern Methodist. Dallas is Southern. Texas on a whole is Southern. That isn't a bad thing.

I just used city numbers not metro numbers. But I did accidentally use Dallas's numbers for all of DFW.

Regarding Dallas or Texas as a whole being southern, I never said it would be a bad thing. I said I disagree. I don't think as a whole Texas is southern, same with Dallas. I stand by this opinion.

[Treasurevalley92]

Originally Posted by MustermannBB

I just used city numbers not metro numbers. But I did accidentally use Dallas's numbers for all of DFW.

Regarding Dallas or Texas as a whole being southern, I never said it would be a bad thing. I said I disagree. I don't think as a whole Texas is southern, same with Dallas. I stand by this opinion.

Ok, but we all know that City numbers are totally worthless when talking about "Cities" especially Texas cities.

If you don't find it southern what do you find it? People Say Y'all and sweet Tea is standard at every restaurant. Locals say "Coke". Even the accents (though milder) are southern.

[Gaylord_Focker]

Originally Posted by NOVA_guy

Not really but ok.

Why do southerners want to classify DC as southern?

[Gaylord_Focker]

Originally Posted by bawac34618

Counties in red are in the South. Those in blue or any other color our not.

Our definition of "Southern culture" largely comes from the culture that is built around and influenced by the Southern Baptist church. From the experiences I've had and people I know from Amarillo, that town is definitely still the South even if it doesn't look like it aesthetically.

Really like this. But does this mean Houston and Dallas aren't southern? They are imo.

[CCrest182]

Originally Posted by Treasurevalley92

Ok, but we all know that City numbers are totally worthless when talking about "Cities" especially Texas cities.

If you don't find it southern what do you find it? People Say Y'all and sweet Tea is standard at every restaurant. Locals say "Coke". Even the accents (though milder) are southern.

The "Coke" and "Y'all" thing is true, but there's little in common between the colonial south and Texas. Texas is more western influenced there. Especially the plains and deserty part of Texas, that can only be considered western. Plains are not a trait of the south.

I would say Houston is southern, but Dallas, San Antonio, and especially El Paso are southwestern, with some southern influence.

There's good reason why Texas is one of the hardest states to classify by which region it's in.

[MustermannBB]

Originally Posted by Treasurevalley92

Ok, but we all know that City numbers are totally worthless when talking about "Cities" especially Texas cities.

If you don't find it southern what do you find it? People Say Y'all and sweet Tea is standard at every restaurant. Locals say "Coke". Even the accents (though milder) are southern.

Worthless? Perhaps, I merely wanted to point out the the cities, which IMHO, are not really southern have a combined number of population that I would not call the minority. If we're talking metro numbers this number, as you correctly pointed out, only increases then.


I honestly can't remember the last time I heard someone say "Y'all" to me or even overheard it.
I agree on sweet Tea, although I would argue that is pretty standard anywhere in the US, no? At least from my experience I never had any problem getting sweet around the country.
Regarding "Coke", and correct me if I'm wrong please, I was under the impression the southern thing there is to call every soft-drink or carbonated sugary drink "Coke". If so then I have to disagree again, of course only from my experience. Unless it is an actual "Coke" I have not heard many people refer to it as such. I do hear pop or soda.

[Treasurevalley92]

Originally Posted by MustermannBB

Worthless? Perhaps, I merely wanted to point out the the cities, which IMHO, are not really southern have a combined number of population that I would not call the minority. If we're talking metro numbers this number, as you correctly pointed out, only increases then.


I honestly can't remember the last time I heard someone say "Y'all" to me or even overheard it.
I agree on sweet Tea, although I would argue that is pretty standard anywhere in the US, no? At least from my experience I never had any problem getting sweet around the country.
Regarding "Coke", and correct me if I'm wrong please, I was under the impression the southern thing there is to call every soft-drink or carbonated sugary drink "Coke". If so then I have to disagree again, of course only from my experience. Unless it is an actual "Coke" I have not heard many people refer to it as such. I do hear pop or soda.

It's worst than worthless, it actually gives the wrong impression about the size of cities. Not that you meant it that way.

I hear Y'all everyday.

Sweet tea can be had in just about any part of the US at this point, but it isn't the staple like it is in the South. You can go to any restaurant in Dallas and they will have sweet tea. That isn't the case in other regions of the country.

To you broader point, El Paso isn't Southern, but Dallas certainly is, it just isn't the Deep South like Mississippi.