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I think you hit the nail on the coffin earlier with your statement about people living in the big cities eventually moving to the Burbs for a cheaper COL instead of just up and moving to a smaller city.
I know me personally when I was younger and first moved to Houston I wanted to stay as close to the loop as possible. I was single with no kids and that's where all the action was. Now that i'm in my mid 30's, married with a toddler I honestly still would love to live in the loop. However, homes are more expensive and we don't have that much money to enroll our kid in a private school once she starts grade school.
With that said, not once have me and my wife thought to move to a smaller city. We're looking toward the Burbs and are not looking back either. Funny, because my Wife was actually offered a decent paying job to work in East Texas. It was tempting but I would dread moving back to any part of East Texas.
It's just certain things Houston or DFW and Austin have that no city in East Texas offers. I've been spoiled with big city amenities and a big city way of life. Your not getting that exposure of different cultures and events happening everyday in East Texas. Just can't do it. And I think that's the case generally for most millenials. It's nothing really that would attract most to any city to East Texas. Retirees I understand. Tyler would be an ideal setting. But the only Millenials move to East Texas in "droves" are the ones that are originally from East Texas and the big city life was just a little bit overwhelming for them to handle.
Yeah.
I just think most of the "Overflow" from the Texas growth is going to happen in the triangle. It is a lot easier to sell San Marcos as between Austin and San Antonio or Waco as between Dallas and Austin than it is to sell Tyler as "A little under 2 hours from Dallas"
Again, I like East Texas, I think it is as underrated as the hill county is overrated.
Tyler is growing, but most of those people are retirees, immigrants in low skill labour, or people from small regional towns sizing up. Well, that and people having kids.
These are all good things. Not every city is meant to be Dallas. Smaller cheaper cities provide a vital part of our economy. I hope Tyler continues to thrive.
I think little of that has to do with spillover from the big 4.
I think the growth has more to do with the state as a whole doing well, low skill labourers moving in from out of the country, retirees, and Tyler cannibalizing the younger people from smaller towns in East Texas.
For most professionals moving from Chicago, SF, LA, NY etc or for companies looking to relocate to Texas with highly skilled job markets Tyler is just a no go.
People will Size down to go from LA to Dallas, but for most people, Dallas to Tyler is too big of a jump...it is a multi-tier leap.
I think what will happen (what has been happening) is suburbs and satellite cities benefit when cores get too expensive...Think McKinney or Denton. Tyler is just too out of the way to have this spillover effect.
I think you hit the nail on the coffin earlier with your statement about people living in the big cities eventually moving to the Burbs for a cheaper COL instead of just up and moving to a smaller city.
I know me personally when I was younger and first moved to Houston I wanted to stay as close to the loop as possible. I was single with no kids and that's where all the action was. Now that i'm in my mid 30's, married with a toddler I honestly still would love to live in the loop. However, homes are more expensive and we don't have that much money to enroll our kid in a private school once she starts grade school.
With that said, not once have me and my wife thought to move to a smaller city. We're looking toward the Burbs and are not looking back either. Funny, because my Wife was actually offered a decent paying job to work in East Texas. It was tempting but I would dread moving back to any part of East Texas.
It's just certain things Houston or DFW and Austin have that no city in East Texas offers. I've been spoiled with big city amenities and a big city way of life. Your not getting that exposure of different cultures and events happening everyday in East Texas. Just can't do it. And I think that's the case generally for most millenials. It's nothing really that would attract most to any city to East Texas. Retirees I understand. Tyler would be an ideal setting. But the only Millenials move to East Texas in "droves" are the ones that are originally from East Texas and the big city life was just a little bit overwhelming for them to handle.
Get this - not everyone LIKES living in a huge city. So for those of us (and there are a lot of us, of all different ages) it has nothing to do with being overwhelmed or unable to "handle" life in a big city - we just do not ENJOY living in a big city.
Thankfully, we have a lot of mid size and smaller cities and towns in Texas to choose from, Tyler being one of them. But of course there are other great smaller cities as well and as far as I know, most of them are doing very well economically, and they are continuing to grow.
Get this - not everyone LIKES living in a huge city. So for those of us (and there are a lot of us, of all different ages) it has nothing to do with being overwhelmed or unable to "handle" life in a big city - we just do not ENJOY living in a big city.
Thankfully, we have a lot of mid size and smaller cities and towns in Texas to choose from, Tyler being one of them. But of course there are other great smaller cities as well and as far as I know, most of them are doing very well economically, and they are continuing to grow.
Oftentimes people from smaller towns who move to big cities than eventually move back because living in a major city can be too overwhelming for some. Not everybody prefers to live in a big city, true enough. But those people generally are not moving to big cities in the first place. They’re staying put where they’re at and enjoying the small to mid size city life.
I just know when I go back home to visit when the big cities are spoke of the conversation 9 out of 10 times plays out like this, “How’s Houston? Wow ok, I couldn’t do it man, too much traffic and it’s just too big for my taste” Nothing wrong with liking a slower pace of living. I just think generally mill’s with no family ties to East Texas won’t flock to Tyler because it’s a nice place to live.
Oftentimes people from smaller towns who move to big cities than eventually move back because living in a major city can be too overwhelming for some. Not everybody prefers to live in a big city, true enough. But those people generally are not moving to big cities in the first place. They’re staying put where they’re at and enjoying the small to mid size city life.
I just know when I go back home to visit when the big cities are spoke of the conversation 9 out of 10 times plays out like this, “How’s Houston? Wow ok, I couldn’t do it man, too much traffic and it’s just too big for my taste” Nothing wrong with liking a slower pace of living. I just think generally mill’s with no family ties to East Texas won’t flock to Tyler because it’s a nice place to live.
These are the types of people or groups of people who move to Tyler, that I have met.
1) As stated move to Tyler for a job, from a smaller town in East Texas.
2) Immigrated, as stated, for jobs. From Mexico, etc.
3) Escaping Puerto Rico, educated skilled. From China, to escape, from Phillippines, after New York City, medical get out of mega New York. Followed others in the Medical field.
4) Retires who had a second winter home at Holley Lake Ranch who lived in the Upper Mid-West. Decided to permanently move to the area. In some cases, they accepted the heat over snow shoveling.
5) Retires who moved to Tyler because of the children live in mega metros of DFW or Houston. Either place, because Tyler to some, is in between these two cities. Some had kids in both metros, ok? I guess, lol
6) Those that visited their children in Tyler with good jobs, a decided Tyler will work for them.
7) Yes, many students have their first job out of college in Tyler, then move on to mega centers for all the reasons explained, more interns are getting their full degrees in U.T. Northeast Medical, East Texas Medical.
No one group, flocks to Tyler, lol. We really don't have a "Sun City" master-planned community here, REALLY. I've even heard someone in their 30's state, what is all this I've heard about being a retiree place, not to or for us, I don't SEE that here.
I just met a lady in the gym from San Antonio, she had just moved here, planning on staying for two years as her husband finishes medical training here. She had just taken her three younger children to The Discovery Science Museum downtown and saw what a smaller looking building there was for the museum, she's from San Antonio, lol, but she said, we stayed 3-4 hours and the place was really nice. I told her of other places that she may or may not discover on her own.
Just saying, people are here for many different reasons.
Yeah. I don't think it is that Tyler looks Bleak by any means, I think it is simply or professional people the job market pays quite a bit less if you can find a job your field at all.
As far as Crime Rates and Schools go...I'm in Irving which isn't considered to be a top tier suburb of Dallas by any means...the city is a mix of old and newer neighbourhoods, and the crime rate in Irving is quite a bit lower than Tyler.
Not that I think Tyler is dangerous or anything, but the old stereotype that big cities are big bad and dangerous is no longer true like it was in the 70s, 80s and 90s.
This is the most "Urban" generation in the history of the world (urban being used loosely to mean suburbs as well) More people live near big cities than ever before. The difference in salaries between large and small cities has never been this wide.
People are still more likely to "Trickle up" than "Trickle Down" in size. The Trickle Downs are going to still stick with globally connected cities for the most part. San Francisco to Dallas. LA to Houston, etc.
Oftentimes people from smaller towns who move to big cities than eventually move back because living in a major city can be too overwhelming for some. Not everybody prefers to live in a big city, true enough. But those people generally are not moving to big cities in the first place. They’re staying put where they’re at and enjoying the small to mid size city life.
I just know when I go back home to visit when the big cities are spoke of the conversation 9 out of 10 times plays out like this, “How’s Houston? Wow ok, I couldn’t do it man, too much traffic and it’s just too big for my taste” Nothing wrong with liking a slower pace of living. I just think generally mill’s with no family ties to East Texas won’t flock to Tyler because it’s a nice place to live.
Well, to clarify, I hope no group of people FLOCKS to Tyler because it's a nice place to live, because then it might not be such a nice place to live! I like the growth but I still hope it levels off at around 300,000 for the metro area.
Texas is already one of the "youngest states" in the US (median age of Texans). The median age of Texans is 33.9 years of age. However, Tyler is even "younger" - the median age in Tyler is 33.4. http://worldpopulationreview.com/us-...tx-population/
Austin, Dallas, and Houston's median ages are even lower (Dallas has the lowest, at 30 years), but San Antonio's median age is a bit higher than that of Tyler.
In fact, only two cities in Texas (with populations over 100k) actually got "younger" - Midland, and Tyler. Every other city over 100k in population got "older." In fact, Texas got "older" by seven months over the past few years, even though like I said, it's still one of the youngest states. https://thetylerloop.com/youre-not-i...tting-younger/
I just thought that was interesting.
Oh and from that article:
Quote:
So what’s pulling our median age downward? If you’ve noticed shiny new elementary schools pop up in Tyler in recent years, you might think it’s a sudden baby boom. But it turns out kids don’t make up a larger proportion of Tyler’s population today than they did five years ago.
In fact, the only group that grew significantly is adults aged 25 to 29. There are approximately 1,800 more folks in that age group living here today than there were five years ago.
What’s attracting those millennials to Tyler, instead of, say, Dallas, Austin, or beyond?
Texas is already one of the "youngest states" in the US (median age of Texans). The median age of Texans is 33.9 years of age. However, Tyler is even "younger" - the median age in Tyler is 33.4. http://worldpopulationreview.com/us-...tx-population/
Austin, Dallas, and Houston's median ages are even lower (Dallas has the lowest, at 30 years), but San Antonio's median age is a bit higher than that of Tyler.
In fact, only two cities in Texas (with populations over 100k) actually got "younger" - Midland, and Tyler. Every other city over 100k in population got "older." In fact, Texas got "older" by seven months over the past few years, even though like I said, it's still one of the youngest states. https://thetylerloop.com/youre-not-i...tting-younger/
I just thought that was interesting.
Oh and from that article:
well i am a millennial and i would choose Tyler over any big city in state if i had to.
Texas is already one of the "youngest states" in the US (median age of Texans). The median age of Texans is 33.9 years of age. However, Tyler is even "younger" - the median age in Tyler is 33.4. http://worldpopulationreview.com/us-...tx-population/
Austin, Dallas, and Houston's median ages are even lower (Dallas has the lowest, at 30 years), but San Antonio's median age is a bit higher than that of Tyler.
In fact, only two cities in Texas (with populations over 100k) actually got "younger" - Midland, and Tyler. Every other city over 100k in population got "older." In fact, Texas got "older" by seven months over the past few years, even though like I said, it's still one of the youngest states. https://thetylerloop.com/youre-not-i...tting-younger/
I just thought that was interesting.
Oh and from that article:
Yeah. Lots of people have kids younger in smaller cities or in the country that shouldn't surprise anyone.
For the record, I have no problem with people having kids young...I have friends who had kids in their early 20s after college who are doing very well for themselves.
That doesn't change the trend that lower-income less well-educated people tend to have kids younger. I can't tell you why that is...maybe not having the 4 year College delay? Maybe having more cash at 20 vs someone who is paying for college?
Who knows, but Tyler will squew younger for this reason.
Texas is already one of the "youngest states" in the US (median age of Texans). The median age of Texans is 33.9 years of age. However, Tyler is even "younger" - the median age in Tyler is 33.4. http://worldpopulationreview.com/us-...tx-population/
Austin, Dallas, and Houston's median ages are even lower (Dallas has the lowest, at 30 years), but San Antonio's median age is a bit higher than that of Tyler.
In fact, only two cities in Texas (with populations over 100k) actually got "younger" - Midland, and Tyler. Every other city over 100k in population got "older." In fact, Texas got "older" by seven months over the past few years, even though like I said, it's still one of the youngest states. https://thetylerloop.com/youre-not-i...tting-younger/
I just thought that was interesting.
Oh and from that article:
I hope that article isn’t trying to imply that millennials are choosing Tyler over the big cities. That’s one hell of a reach if that’s what he’s trying to imply. Lol
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