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Old 10-05-2019, 12:09 PM
 
Location: "The Dirty Irv" Irving, TX
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Look, most of the Mexican Americans in Texas immigrated after the revolution...true. Same with most of the Anglos who live in Texas.

The immigration history is pretty complex...borders haven't historically existed in the strict sense that they do now. The us has about a century of mixed symbols on Mexican immigration...there has always been alot of money in cheap labor.

Anglo Texans have a long history of racism towards Mexicans...Texas rangers shot US citizen Mexican Americans fairly frequently...they didn't know or care about the difference. Racism was so common among Rangers that most of them didn't even count Mexicans in their "Kill Count"

Of course violence went both ways but Texans were just as often the ones in the wrong. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porvenir_massacre_(1918)

I mean if you want to play this game, the vast majority of the Anglos who fought in the Texas revolution were illegal American immigrants who invaded for the sole reason of making Texas a state...the fact that Texas was independent for a decade is actually a comedy of errors.

The Asian Americans in the West were very badly treated...in several states they couldn't own land. Some families couldn't buy their own ranches until their kids reached adulthood because of racist laws.

Also that is a terrible comparison...California neither borders China or Japan nor was it ever part of China or Japan.


If you had wanted to make a smart point you could have said:

"Well, just because Texas was Mexican at one point, doesn't mean that Hispanic people who aren't already here have a special privilege to move here currently."

But hey you are the sort of racist person who calls people wetbacks, so it would be unreasonable to expect anything but ignorance from you.

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Old 10-06-2019, 06:14 PM
 
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Look, most of the Mexican Americans in Texas immigrated after the revolution...true. Same with most of the Anglos who live in Texas.
Are Anglos not Americans too? Why only Mexican Americans?

The immigration history is pretty complex...borders haven't historically existed in the strict sense that they do now. The us has about a century of mixed symbols on Mexican immigration...there has always been alot of money in cheap labor.
The role of government also hasn't historically existed in the sense that it does now. Perhaps if we didn't have so many benefits to take advantage of we wouldn't have to worry much about a border.
Anglo Texans have a long history of racism towards Mexicans...Texas rangers shot US citizen Mexican Americans fairly frequently...they didn't know or care about the difference. Racism was so common among Rangers that most of them didn't even count Mexicans in their "Kill Count"
Were the Mexican Texas Rangers racist too or just the Anglos?

Of course violence went both ways but Texans were just as often the ones in the wrong. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porvenir_massacre_(1918)

I mean if you want to play this game, the vast majority of the Anglos who fought in the Texas revolution were illegal American immigrants who invaded for the sole reason of making Texas a state...the fact that Texas was independent for a decade is actually a comedy of errors.
They were invited to come there from the Mexican government, how are they illegal?
The Asian Americans in the West were very badly treated...in several states they couldn't own land. Some families couldn't buy their own ranches until their kids reached adulthood because of racist laws.
Ok

Also that is a terrible comparison...California neither borders China or Japan nor was it ever part of China or Japan.

So should Americans be allowed to invade Canada because we border them? Very interesting view you have here.
If you had wanted to make a smart point you could have said:

"Well, just because Texas was Mexican at one point, doesn't mean that Hispanic people who aren't already here have a special privilege to move here currently."

But hey you are the sort of racist person who calls people wetbacks, so it would be unreasonable to expect anything but ignorance from you.
Wetbacks can be any race, it is quite racist of you to assume that I am referring to hispanics, and I take great offense to that. I even said Haitians, so it's rather obvious what I meant. You clearly didn't grow up in Texas. My hispanic great grandmother didn't have a problem calling them wetbacks. It is what they are.

[Mod note: ^^^ is an offensive and derogatory slur. Get informed and update your vocabulary. See DM.]

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Old 10-07-2019, 11:43 AM
 
Location: "The Dirty Irv" Irving, TX
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They were invited to come there from the Mexican government, how are they illegal?
Why are Texans often so incredibly ignorant of their own history? Seriously. It is freaking embarrassing. If you take so much pride in something at least get the facts straight


Austin's colony was invited. It was a small number of people.

America wanted to add Mexican Territory so they fired up a bunch of Southerners and Appalachians who illegally crossed and settled in Texas.

The vast, vast, majority of people who took part in the revolution were illegal American immigrants who had not settled in the official manner who wanted to rebel and immediately join the US.

They were not loyal citizens of Mexico who became discontent with their government and wanted independence. That made up a tiny % of the Texans.

The funny thing is after the revolution the US didn't immediately accept them. This actually really pissed Houston off. The reason for this was partly slavery...northern states didn't want to add another slave state, and partly because the US wasn't ready for open war with Mexico at this point which this would cause.

Houston spent a lot of his presidency trying to legitimize Texas as a country so as to get them into the union.

Lamar, the first notable dumbass to be Gov/ President of Texas, but certainly not the last, attempted to capture Santa Fe and actually send someone to that claimed part of Texas that no Anglo Texan had ever been to at that point.

Well, Lamar knew so little about his claimed territory that he sent infantry who are useless on the high plains of West Texas and they were all captured by the Mexicans long before getting close to Santa Fe. Stupid.

Lamar is notable for being very brash about how Texas was their own country, screw the USA for not taking us, we don't need them, blah blah blah, kill Mexicans and Indians etc...basicly the living walking stereotype of all the worst Texan Stereotypes.

A part of him still lives today in Texas, unfortunately.

Thank God he wasn't allowed to serve back to back terms and Houston was able to put a hand on the helm of state.


Oh, also, while the Rio Grande does make more sense as a border, the Nueces River was the correct boundary and the US totally provoked not only the Texas revolution by encouraging American Citizens to invade, but also the Mexican American war by taking territory illegally.

The American politicians celebrated so hard when the "Texans" (Americans) defeated the Mexicans at San Jacinto that a diplomat from Mexico in DC openly complained that it was incredibly improper to celebrate the defeat of a country the US was allegedly on friendly terms with.
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Old 10-07-2019, 11:51 AM
 
Location: "The Dirty Irv" Irving, TX
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Were the Mexican Texas Rangers racist too or just the Anglos?
https://www.texasobserver.org/a-new-...texas-rangers/

Get Educated.

This is one of the worst "Got yas"

It's really the same as saying:

"Police Departments can't have a systemic racism problem, I saw a black Cop"

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There certainly are some great historical Rangers. Frank Hamer for example. But even in his definitive biography, they discuss how he was incredibly racist against Hispanics. He was a complicated character.
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Old 10-12-2019, 01:18 PM
 
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Two words.


Californian Transplants
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Old 10-14-2019, 07:16 AM
 
Location: "The Dirty Irv" Irving, TX
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Two words.


Californian Transplants
Yeah, El Paso is FULL of Californian transplants
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Old 10-15-2019, 05:02 PM
 
Location: Oregon, formerly Texas
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Yeah, El Paso is FULL of Californian transplants
Hey now, I know of least one hip, gentrified neighborhood in El Paso that a Californian might like, complete with desert-y SoCal landscape, but just hotter.
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