City Rivalries (Houston, Dallas, Fort Worth: fit in, crime, transferring to)

[brock2010]

Besides the Dallas/Houston rivalry what others in the state are there?

[C24L]

Midland and Odessa. Dallas and Fort Worth have a rivalry too.

[brock2010]

What about Longview/Tyler?

[Trainwreck20]

City rivalries really only exist in the minds of a small portion of the population.

[Treasurevalley92]

Most cities in Texas have a one-sided rivalry with Dallas

My favourite is Houston because of all the places to hate on, it seems silly to pick the place that is most like yourself. No two large metros in the US are more similar to each other than Dallas and Houston.

[Mark Senior]

Originally Posted by brock2010

What about Longview/Tyler?

You would think, but I've not heard much of that talk in the last 30 years. Yes, I and others make comments about the differences between the two, however, not really much competition.

Longview\Lee\John Tyler football games are not much of a rivalry, Longview almost always wins, lol

You would think growth, would be a rivalry, Tyler has always been larger, widening the gap over the last couple of decades. Longview is very pro-growth, Tyler not so much, leaders care very little about growth, no annexation, few incentives are given to grow. Is this a Good or bad thing depends on your perspective, I guess. Somewhere around the last 30 maybe 40 years Tyler has been actually leaning anti-growth, especially since the 1995 city-wide election. So just more comparisons, between the two, rather than rivalry.

[Thoreau424]

Originally Posted by Trainwreck20

City rivalries really only exist in the minds of a small portion of the population.

Very true. Too bad not enough people see this.

It's really just a childish myth that will continue to get recycled and promoted by some. Oh well...

[KathrynAragon]

Originally Posted by Mark Senior

You would think, but I've not heard much of that talk in the last 30 years. Yes, I and others make comments about the differences between the two, however, not really much competition.

Longview\Lee\John Tyler football games are not much of a rivalry, Longview almost always wins, lol

You would think growth, would be a rivalry, Tyler has always been larger, widening the gap over the last couple of decades. Longview is very pro-growth, Tyler not so much, leaders care very little about growth, no annexation, few incentives are given to grow. Is this a Good or bad thing depends on your perspective, I guess. Somewhere around the last 30 maybe 40 years Tyler has been actually leaning anti-growth, especially since the 1995 city-wide election. So just more comparisons, between the two, rather than rivalry.

Having lived in both metro areas in the past 25 years, I'd say that Longview feels more rivalry than Tyler. I'm basing this strictly on what I've heard personally.

For instance, when I moved from Tyler to Longview, I actually had several business people literally sneer at me when I said I'd moved from Tyler. One of them even said to me, "Well, the sooner you figure out that we don't do things here like they do in Tyler, the sooner you'll fit in."

This was not in response to anything I had said - all I'd done was answer the question "Where did you move from?" I was shocked.

I also never "fit in" there. Which was fine for all involved. I moved back to the Tyler area as quickly as I could (six years ago, after living in the Longview area for 8 of the longest years of my life). Longview/Kilgore was literally the only place I have ever lived where I felt like I was a fish out of water so to speak, and I've lived all over the US and the world in fact. It was strange.

[Redlionjr]

Originally Posted by KathrynAragon

Having lived in both metro areas in the past 25 years, I'd say that Longview feels more rivalry than Tyler. I'm basing this strictly on what I've heard personally.

For instance, when I moved from Tyler to Longview, I actually had several business people literally sneer at me when I said I'd moved from Tyler. One of them even said to me, "Well, the sooner you figure out that we don't do things here like they do in Tyler, the sooner you'll fit in."

This was not in response to anything I had said - all I'd done was answer the question "Where did you move from?" I was shocked.

I also never "fit in" there. Which was fine for all involved. I moved back to the Tyler area as quickly as I could (six years ago, after living in the Longview area for 8 of the longest years of my life). Longview/Kilgore was literally the only place I have ever lived where I felt like I was a fish out of water so to speak, and I've lived all over the US and the world in fact. It was strange.

I've lived in Longview from childhood to adulthood and I've never heard any sentiments like that. Maybe that's a generational thing but as a millennial and having grown up closely with Generation X we generally never viewed Tyler in any negative light.

If anything at times when Tyler people would visit Longview rather for a football game or transferring to a school you would get condescending attitudes from Tyler natives. Like if you come to Longview we don't need to hear how Tyler mall or schools are so much better than Longview. I've encountered these attitudes from Tyler people every now and then while growing up. That included Adults as well. Somewhat of a snobbish attitude. Or I would hear a few negative generalizations about Longview people when crime in Longview is mentioned. But most Tyler people seem to be respectful when it comes to Longview.

But for the most part it's generally respect and compliments about Tyler from Longview people. At least my generation. We generally praise Tyler on having certain amenities that Longview doesn't have or being pretty. Hell, Longview people who decide not to move out of East Texas but want something a little bigger usually always end up moving to Tyler so generally there's no negativity or rivalry from most people I grew up with.

So generally there's no rivalry with Longview and Tyler. Longview only has one true rivalry and that is with Marshall. That's a for real rivalry that span over a 100 years. Beyond high school football btw.

[Mark Senior]

Originally Posted by Redlionjr

I've lived in Longview from childhood to adulthood and I've never heard any sentiments like that. Maybe that's a generational thing but as a millennial and having grown up closely with Generation X we generally never viewed Tyler in any negative light.

If anything at times when Tyler people would visit Longview rather for a football game or transferring to a school you would get condescending attitudes from Tyler natives. Like if you come to Longview we don't need to hear how Tyler mall or schools are so much better than Longview. I've encountered these attitudes from Tyler people every now and then while growing up. That included Adults as well. Somewhat of a snobbish attitude. Or I would hear a few negative generalizations about Longview people when crime in Longview is mentioned. But most Tyler people seem to be respectful when it comes to Longview.

But for the most part it's generally respect and compliments about Tyler from Longview people. At least my generation. We generally praise Tyler on having certain amenities that Longview doesn't have or being pretty. Hell, Longview people who decide not to move out of East Texas but want something a little bigger usually always end up moving to Tyler so generally there's no negativity or rivalry from most people I grew up with.

So generally there's no rivalry with Longview and Tyler. Longview only has one true rivalry and that is with Marshall. That's a for real rivalry that span over a 100 years. Beyond high school football btw.

I could not rep you again so soon, per city-data rules. Rep. I've never really run into a rivalry thing between the two towns. Tyler Lee football, which I am a fan, sure we would like to beat Longview again, maybe in THIS decade, lol, but no rivalry there, as in Lee just can't wait to beat Longview, nope, not anywhere on the fans radar, at least.

I did grow up learning of the rivalry, in my uncles' "mind," and who I was named after, his first name, that to him, I guessed, that because Tyler was larger, Longview was becoming better and would be larger soon, as he was a very proud Longview citizen, but was born in Tyler. I called him Mr. Longview, as he was a member of the Chamber of Commerce, on every board or organization promoting Longview. So, I just saw his ongoing, competition or rivalry all my life. But...

Actually he caused me to be interested in everything Tyler as far back as 1956, lol

You know, in all fairness, and to prove again, I see or have seen some of Tyler's flaws or shortcomings over all these decades, here goes one example. Many years ago, decades now, SOME or maybe too many, upper-income folks did act snobbish, one way this was displayed as when they tried to pretend, to perceive themselves as sophisticated as those upper-income folks of Highland Park, "Dallas" at that time, but not NOW trying to copy, the current South Lake upper-come people, this has all stopped, at least, as it seems to me. Also, years ago, it was a big "deal" or event, if your daughter was named the Rose Festival Queen, and all that went on, with the duchess, escorts, mostly society "folks". Now, don't get me wrong, the few, that will read this, I'm not against the well-off, lol, whatever, on all that stuff, lol