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Old 03-10-2020, 11:22 AM
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https://www.tsl.texas.gov/exhibits/t....html#:~:text=
Texas declaration of independence:

"The Declaration of November 7, 1835, passed by the Consultation, was intended to attract popular support for the Texan cause from the other Mexican states. That declaration asked for Mexican statehood for Texas and vowed to make war until the Constitution of 1824, abrogated by the actions of President Antonio Lopez de Santa Anna, was restored.

By the time the Convention of 1836 met at Washington-on-the-Brazos on March 1, 1836, such temporizing was no longer acceptable. On the first day, Convention President Richard Ellis appointed a committee to draft a Declaration of Independence....


The Unanimous Declaration of Independence made by the
Delegates of the People of Texas in General Convention at the
Town of Washington on the 2nd day of March 1836

When a government has ceased to protect the lives, liberty and property of the people, from whom its legitimate powers are derived, and for the advancement of whose happiness it was instituted, and so far from being a guarantee for the enjoyment of those inestimable and inalienable rights, becomes an instrument in the hands of evil rulers for their oppression.

When the Federal Republican Constitution of their country, which they have sworn to support, no longer has a substantial existence, and the whole nature of their government has been forcibly changed, without their consent, from a restricted federative republic, composed of sovereign states, to a consolidated central military despotism, in which every interest is disregarded but that of the army and the priesthood, both the eternal enemies of civil liberty, the everready minions of power, and the usual instruments of tyrants.

When, long after the spirit of the constitution has departed, moderation is at length so far lost by those in power, that even the semblance of freedom is removed, and the forms themselves of the constitution discontinued, and so far from their petitions and remonstrances being regarded, the agents who bear them are thrown into dungeons, and mercenary armies sent forth to force a new government upon them at the point of the bayonet.

When, in consequence of such acts of malfeasance and abdication on the part of the government, anarchy prevails, and civil society is dissolved into its original elements. In such a crisis, the first law of nature, the right of self-preservation, the inherent and inalienable rights of the people to appeal to first principles, and take their political affairs into their own hands in extreme cases, enjoins it as a right towards themselves, and a sacred obligation to their posterity, to abolish such government, and create another in its stead, calculated to rescue them from impending dangers, and to secure their future welfare and happiness...."
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Old 03-10-2020, 11:23 AM
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No, you said 35, its 30..you are adding more than there is. Also, it doesn't even matter because at the end of the day, it doesn't give a right for people to rebel against their own government.
So you don't count Blacks as Americans? Its 35 by your own numbers.
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Old 03-10-2020, 04:03 PM
 
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So you don't count Blacks as Americans? Its 35 by your own numbers.
No, I never said that. I do, but White Anglo illegal immigrants did not.
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Old 03-11-2020, 05:43 AM
 
Location: "The Dirty Irv" Irving, TX
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https://www.tsl.texas.gov/exhibits/t....html#:~:text=
Texas declaration of independence:

"The Declaration of November 7, 1835, passed by the Consultation, was intended to attract popular support for the Texan cause from the other Mexican states. That declaration asked for Mexican statehood for Texas and vowed to make war until the Constitution of 1824, abrogated by the actions of President Antonio Lopez de Santa Anna, was restored.

By the time the Convention of 1836 met at Washington-on-the-Brazos on March 1, 1836, such temporizing was no longer acceptable. On the first day, Convention President Richard Ellis appointed a committee to draft a Declaration of Independence....


The Unanimous Declaration of Independence made by the
Delegates of the People of Texas in General Convention at the
Town of Washington on the 2nd day of March 1836

When a government has ceased to protect the lives, liberty and property of the people, from whom its legitimate powers are derived, and for the advancement of whose happiness it was instituted, and so far from being a guarantee for the enjoyment of those inestimable and inalienable rights, becomes an instrument in the hands of evil rulers for their oppression.

When the Federal Republican Constitution of their country, which they have sworn to support, no longer has a substantial existence, and the whole nature of their government has been forcibly changed, without their consent, from a restricted federative republic, composed of sovereign states, to a consolidated central military despotism, in which every interest is disregarded but that of the army and the priesthood, both the eternal enemies of civil liberty, the everready minions of power, and the usual instruments of tyrants.

When, long after the spirit of the constitution has departed, moderation is at length so far lost by those in power, that even the semblance of freedom is removed, and the forms themselves of the constitution discontinued, and so far from their petitions and remonstrances being regarded, the agents who bear them are thrown into dungeons, and mercenary armies sent forth to force a new government upon them at the point of the bayonet.

When, in consequence of such acts of malfeasance and abdication on the part of the government, anarchy prevails, and civil society is dissolved into its original elements. In such a crisis, the first law of nature, the right of self-preservation, the inherent and inalienable rights of the people to appeal to first principles, and take their political affairs into their own hands in extreme cases, enjoins it as a right towards themselves, and a sacred obligation to their posterity, to abolish such government, and create another in its stead, calculated to rescue them from impending dangers, and to secure their future welfare and happiness...."
Yeah, but surely you understand that original source documents need to be historically contextualized.

The truth is, while they had to say it to legitimize the war, most Texians had no interest in returning to the constitution of 1824, they wanted to be part of America from the very beginning.
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