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Old 03-27-2020, 05:47 PM
 
Location: League City
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In all likelihood, we will have to restart the economy before effective treatments and/or vaccine is available.

At that point, we WILL be making a judgement of the level of illness and fatalities that are worth reopening the economy.
No other country has done that. The only type of judgement calls happen when hospitals are overwhelmed. The UK started with a similar strategy but for different reasons. Then their top scientists realized that hundreds of thousands of lives could be saved if they too tried to flatten the curve. They chose life. If you restart the US economy too soon, it's like Westerner said - it's a coronavirus free-for-all and then we will definitely need the national guard.
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Old 03-27-2020, 07:47 PM
 
Location: Austin, TX
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In all likelihood, we will have to restart the economy before effective treatments and/or vaccine is available.

At that point, we WILL be making a judgement of the level of illness and fatalities that are worth reopening the economy.
You need to watch some of the videos out there about what's going on in the hospitals in NYC.

https://nypost.com/2020/03/27/corona...d-hospital-er/

This would happen in Texas too. We need to flatten the curve.
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Old 03-27-2020, 10:12 PM
 
Location: C.R. K-Tex
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You need to watch some of the videos out there about what's going on in the hospitals in NYC.

https://nypost.com/2020/03/27/corona...d-hospital-er/

This would happen in Texas too. We need to flatten the curve.
NYers are fleeing the city for Florida and now Texas. It's like a flashback to the Fall of Rome!

Meanwhile Patrick (and Trump) is open-borders when it comes to Americans (he's an East Coast carpetbagger himself!) infecting Texans. Time to wall off Texas instead!
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Old 03-27-2020, 10:26 PM
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Location: Houston, TX
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No other country has done that. The only type of judgement calls happen when hospitals are overwhelmed. The UK started with a similar strategy but for different reasons. Then their top scientists realized that hundreds of thousands of lives could be saved if they too tried to flatten the curve. They chose life. If you restart the US economy too soon, it's like Westerner said - it's a coronavirus free-for-all and then we will definitely need the national guard.
While we wont have a vaccine until 2021, we should have treatment long before that. When that does occur, we should be able to get back to some form of normal.
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Old 03-28-2020, 10:52 AM
 
Location: Austin, TX
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NYers are fleeing the city for Florida and now Texas. It's like a flashback to the Fall of Rome!

Meanwhile Patrick (and Trump) is open-borders when it comes to Americans (he's an East Coast carpetbagger himself!) infecting Texans. Time to wall off Texas instead!
Yeah they are dropping like flies in NYC and the masses are heading for the hills (in NH/VT). Anyone with any smarts would've left several weeks ago.

People in New Orleans are leaving New Orleans for the MS Gulf Coast the same way they used to leave New Orleans when yellow fever epidemics used to hit. People in MS are not happy about it either.

The irony is that those people are fleeing the virus but they are just going to bring it to the place they are going, making it worse not better for everyone involved.
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Old 03-28-2020, 11:09 AM
 
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NYers are fleeing the city for Florida and now Texas. It's like a flashback to the Fall of Rome!

Meanwhile Patrick (and Trump) is open-borders when it comes to Americans (he's an East Coast carpetbagger himself!) infecting Texans. Time to wall off Texas instead!
Yeah, we should have stayed an independent country and never become a state. Biggest mistake ever, too late now though.
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Old 03-28-2020, 12:15 PM
 
Location: Houston
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You need to watch some of the videos out there about what's going on in the hospitals in NYC.

https://nypost.com/2020/03/27/corona...d-hospital-er/

This would happen in Texas too. We need to flatten the curve.
I'm not disagreeing with the current SAH orders, certainly in urban/suburban areas and probably rural areas too. My assertion is predicated upon stabilization of the medical treatment system, which may very well go beyond hospitals in order to have sufficient capacity. The concept of flattening the curve is one I agree with in general, but there probably needs to also be an effort to modify the medical treatment system to help deal with the height of the curve (tolerate a higher level of flatness). That would have been easier if the country had taken better steps to prepare, but that's another discussion...
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Old 03-28-2020, 12:18 PM
 
Location: Houston
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Yeah they are dropping like flies in NYC and the masses are heading for the hills (in NH/VT). Anyone with any smarts would've left several weeks ago.

People in New Orleans are leaving New Orleans for the MS Gulf Coast the same way they used to leave New Orleans when yellow fever epidemics used to hit. People in MS are not happy about it either.

The irony is that those people are fleeing the virus but they are just going to bring it to the place they are going, making it worse not better for everyone involved.
I read an article talking about Englanders fleeing in RVs and campers to remote Scottish islands, where the locals are not exactly happy to see them.
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Old 03-30-2020, 10:57 AM
 
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The people who can work and are at little-to-no serious risk from COVID-19 need to be working to keep the economy and civilization going. The people who are at risk (elderly and those with existing conditions) need to isolate. The healthy need to work to allow the elderly and sick to stay home. The way we are going about this now is the nuclear option or a recipe for societal suicide.



COVID-19 is like a house getting termites. Instead of calling the exterminator, the world has decided to burn the house down. The long-term effects of these draconian actions will be worse than the effects of the actual virus. Billions will be poorer for 5 to 10 years. Suicides will increase. Health care systems will weaken, leading to more non-COVID-19 deaths. Government services will suffer due to decreased tax revenues.


People believe "whatever we have to do to save lives is worth it" are FEELING and not THINKING. It's just not that simple. Society always makes informal decisions about how many fatalities are acceptable for all kinds of things (car accidents, murders, flu, etc.). COVID-19 can't be any different in the long-term.
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Old 03-30-2020, 12:33 PM
 
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The people who can work and are at little-to-no serious risk from COVID-19 need to be working to keep the economy and civilization going. The people who are at risk (elderly and those with existing conditions) need to isolate. The healthy need to work to allow the elderly and sick to stay home. The way we are going about this now is the nuclear option or a recipe for societal suicide.



COVID-19 is like a house getting termites. Instead of calling the exterminator, the world has decided to burn the house down. The long-term effects of these draconian actions will be worse than the effects of the actual virus. Billions will be poorer for 5 to 10 years. Suicides will increase. Health care systems will weaken, leading to more non-COVID-19 deaths. Government services will suffer due to decreased tax revenues.


People believe "whatever we have to do to save lives is worth it" are FEELING and not THINKING. It's just not that simple. Society always makes informal decisions about how many fatalities are acceptable for all kinds of things (car accidents, murders, flu, etc.). COVID-19 can't be any different in the long-term.
Good post but... currently, we have no "Exterminator" to exterminate COVID-19. If you don't burn an infected house, the ones around it will get infected.
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