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Old 05-05-2020, 10:17 PM
 
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"The audio, released by the group Progress Texas, is reportedly from a May 1 call Abbott held with state legislators to discuss reopening businesses shuttered by the coronavirus epidemic."


https://www.newsweek.com/texas-gover...me-day-1502159


Abbott caught on video telling the truth yet when speaking to the public he says the opposite.


Abbott puts up a straw-man argument. No one ever said the goal was to get to 0. The goal it to get to 3 % like South Korea or even 7% like Germany. And in order to do this robust testing and tracing is needed to be in place first and this has not happened in TX. Abbot touts using effective proven strategies to reduce infections, but he leaves out an obvious factor that will prevent this from happening and that is human behavior. A lot of Texans just will not follow the guidelines for multiple reasons such as believing the virus is a hoax or government conspiracy, Texans behaviors and habits will make them less likely to follow social distancing, using masks, etc.

There is plenty of video of Texans returning to the beaches, stores, restaurants, without masks and not abiding by social distancing guidelines. If Abbots decision turns out to be a disaster, which it already appears to be, an investigation needs to be done into his decision to open up TX and then depending on that outcome he should be removed as governor.
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Old 05-05-2020, 10:20 PM
 
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Abbott caught on video telling the truth yet when speaking to the public he says the opposite.
When did he say the opposite? I must have missed that.
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Old 05-05-2020, 10:22 PM
 
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When did he say the opposite? I must have missed that.



You must not be paying attention. Today he just cited declining positive cases as reason his decision is right. On April 21st he claimed Texas numbers are leveling off. Even though the numbers and facts show the opposite. 5 of the last 6 days Texas has surpassed more than 1,000 new cases. Dallas has broken its record for cases 3 days in a row. Fort Worth is almost as bad as Dallas. El Paso 2 weeks ago was not even in top 17 in terms of cases has now jumped to number 7th in TX. The panhandle has more cases percentage wise than most large cities. Houston/Harris county just passed 7,000 cases and just when cases seemed to be going down they are starting to go up again. All the data has shown TX case rates are going up. Texas deaths will reach 1,000 probably tomorrow or the day after. And this excuse of "well of course they are we are testing more" does not hold water. It would matter only if we were testing more and numbers were going down not up.


The governor likes to misrepresent data and he likes using unproven metrics like recovery numbers to hoodwink the public into thinking all is ok in Texas.

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Old 05-06-2020, 06:21 AM
 
Location: Wonderland
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There are more positives because there is more testing. That's what everyone wanted, right - more testing? Well, that's happening, so of course more cases are showing up.

So look at hospitalizations and deaths.

When Abbott presented the tentative plans he discussed yesterday to Dr. Brix, she said the plan was great.

He's also made it very clear that this is a fluid situation and that the state may have to go back to more stringent plans in the future.
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Old 05-06-2020, 07:43 AM
 
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so what - it does not take a 150 IQ to understand that more activity and interaction with people would result in more positive results with the virus that spreads like wildfire.

i would rather open the state up and get out lifespan's going - with only 900 deaths in a state with 24M its not worth the lockdown. I would support maintaining rules for the retirement homes and assisted living as those people are at the higher risk.

but shutting down and keeping us sheltered up will result in more damage due to bankruptcy, losses revenues etc etc

Abbot did not say anything that is a surprise to me - but again i am not in the sky is falling clan like so many here
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Old 05-06-2020, 09:24 AM
 
Location: Grapevine, Texas
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There are more positives because there is more testing. That's what everyone wanted, right - more testing? Well, that's happening, so of course more cases are showing up.
In the press conference yesterday, Abbott also said the testing positive rate was currently around 5%.
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Old 05-06-2020, 09:27 AM
 
Location: Wonderland
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In the press conference yesterday, Abbott also said the testing positive rate was currently around 5%.
Yep, I watched it. Made sense to me.
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Old 05-06-2020, 10:45 AM
 
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There are more positives because there is more testing. That's what everyone wanted, right - more testing? Well, that's happening, so of course more cases are showing up.

So look at hospitalizations and deaths.

When Abbott presented the tentative plans he discussed yesterday to Dr. Brix, she said the plan was great.

He's also made it very clear that this is a fluid situation and that the state may have to go back to more stringent plans in the future.
It's too late to implement "more testing" at this point as any sort of strategy to decrease the cases/deaths anyway. The feds dropped the ball early and have created this problem, not only in Texas, but nationwide by not implementing a national testing/contact tracing/isolation regime back in late January/early February when caseloads were still manageable. Doing this would have likely prevented a lot of the negative outcomes we've seen. South Korea did this and they have essentially beaten the virus - there are days they don't even have new cases and new deaths there are very rare. They are already playing baseball again.

At this point, I can't really blame the state for reopening because what else are we going to do, just continue to zombie-walk our way through this crisis with the half measures we've seen? The federal government has screwed us royally and I won't forget or forgive them for their response to this crisis anytime soon. They have tried to amend for their mistakes but most of their moves have been too little, too late.

The states are just trying to do the best they can with no cohesive plan coming from the top, and with the implicit understanding that herd immunity (and the deaths that come with that approach) is the only hope at this point, absent a miracle treatment or quickly developed vaccine.
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Old 05-06-2020, 10:50 AM
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Location: Houston, TX
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It's too late to implement "more testing" at this point as any sort of strategy to decrease the cases/deaths anyway. The feds dropped the ball early and have created this problem, not only in Texas, but nationwide by not implementing a national testing/contact tracing/isolation regime back in late January/early February when caseloads were still manageable. Doing this would have likely prevented a lot of the negative outcomes we've seen. South Korea did this and they have essentially beaten the virus - there are days they don't even have new cases and new deaths there are very rare. They are already playing baseball again.

At this point, I can't really blame the state for reopening because what else are we going to do, just continue to zombie-walk our way through this crisis with the half measures we've seen? The federal government has screwed us royally and I won't forget or forgive them for their response to this crisis anytime soon. They have tried to amend for their mistakes but most of their moves have been too little, too late.

The states are just trying to do the best they can with no cohesive plan coming from the top, and with the implicit understanding that herd immunity (and the deaths that come with that approach) is the only hope at this point, absent a miracle treatment or quickly developed vaccine.
You are so right.

At this point weve got two options:

1) Vaccine
2) Herd Immunity

Other than drug treatments, there really isnt much mitigation to do. The hope of shutting things down in hopes of stopping the virus is now dead.
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Old 05-06-2020, 11:11 AM
 
Location: The Woods
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Herd immunity may not be happening long term. People who have recovered from the virus have been reinfected. https://www.krqe.com/health/coronavi...ect-survivors/
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