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Old 06-02-2020, 08:26 PM
 
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Is there? And what makes you think people from blue states that move to Texas wont vote blue? I moved from California and havent voted for a Republican since Ive been here. Until the Republicans of Texas stop being so far to the right, that wont change.

Whats more likely is that Texas moves to the center, not becomes blue.
Texas isn't even a top 5 conservative state. The GOP seems more center right if anything.
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Old 06-02-2020, 09:55 PM
 
Location: Houston/Austin, TX
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Texas isn't even a top 5 conservative state. The GOP seems more center right if anything.
That's now what he's saying. Obviously Texas isn't a top 5 conservative state. Austin and Houston are here. In his post, he's specifying that the state level republicans are ultra-conservative. Look at Ted Cruz and Greg Abbott. They're part of the reason the blue wave in Texas 4 large metros is speeding up.
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Old 06-02-2020, 11:30 PM
 
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That's now what he's saying. Obviously Texas isn't a top 5 conservative state. Austin and Houston are here. In his post, he's specifying that the state level republicans are ultra-conservative. Look at Ted Cruz and Greg Abbott. They're part of the reason the blue wave in Texas 4 large metros is speeding up.
I meant they're not even top 5 as far as conservatives go.

Abbott is not an ultra conservative. He's pretty middle of the road as far as American conservative politicans go.

If the Texas GOP were so conservative, they would have passed constitutional carry by now.

And Abbott seems to be more popular in Texas than the national level GOP politicians (like Trump and Cruz) are.
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Old 06-02-2020, 11:41 PM
 
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I meant they're not even top 5 as far as conservatives go.

Abbott is not an ultra conservative. He's pretty middle of the road as far as American conservative politicans go.

If the Texas GOP were so conservative, they would have passed constitutional carry by now.

And Abbott seems to be more popular in Texas than the national level GOP politicians (like Trump and Cruz) are.
Abbott is ultra conservative at times. But he does a much better job than Cruz, Trump or Rick Perry did at having some form of compromise with Texas major city mayors which are all dems except Betsy Price (Fort Worth). But other than the willingness to compromise, Abbott can be ultra conservative.
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Old 06-02-2020, 11:45 PM
 
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Abbott is ultra conservative at times. But he does a much better job than Cruz, Trump or Rick Perry did at having some form of compromise with Texas major city mayors which are all dems except Betsy Price (Fort Worth). But other than the willingness to compromise, Abbott can be ultra conservative.
What ultra conservative things has he done, other than being the first to participate in Trump's executive order allowing states to ban new refugees? And even then, he stated it was because Texas already took in the most refugees.

I've heard him as being described as "somewhere in between John Kasich and a governor of say, Alabama" and that seems accurate.
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Old 06-03-2020, 12:17 AM
 
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What ultra conservative things has he done, other than being the first to participate in Trump's executive order allowing states to ban new refugees? And even then, he stated it was because Texas already took in the most refugees.

I've heard him as being described as "somewhere in between John Kasich and a governor of say, Alabama" and that seems accurate.
As you stated, his immigration policies are ultra conservative. Not only for cooperating with Trump, he banned sanctuary cities. He pushes for as little regulation as possible for businesses to operate. His push to be the first state to reopen during COVID-19. His push for total banning of abortion... Hold up.. We are basically getting to the point where we may as well just say "everything".

The lone thing he has going for him is willingness to compromise and only when he feels like. What does Abbott do that makes you see him otherwise?
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Old 06-03-2020, 12:21 AM
 
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As you stated, his immigration policies are ultra conservative. Not only for cooperating with Trump, he banned sanctuary cities. He pushes for as little regulation as possible for businesses to operate. His push to be the first state to reopen during COVID-19. His push for total banning of abortion... Hold up.. We are basically getting to the point where we may as well just say "everything".

The lone thing he has going for him is willingness to compromise and only when he feels like. What does Abbott do that makes you see him otherwise?
Banning sanctuary cities is just run of the mill conservatism. And probably would have been acceptable among the Dems prior to 2010ish (Bill Clinton was not welcoming of illegal immigration).

As far as abortion, Alabama actually passed a near total ban on abortion. Abbott doesn't seem particularly interested in pushing that.

I'm not saying he's leftist, just that none of his policies are any bolder than typical center right politicians. And he hasn't even pushed for constitutional carry, with the GOP having full control of the state government.
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Old 06-03-2020, 12:31 AM
 
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Banning sanctuary cities is just run of the mill conservatism. And probably would have been acceptable among the Dems prior to 2010ish (Bill Clinton was not welcoming of illegal immigration).

As far as abortion, Alabama actually passed a near total ban on abortion. Abbott doesn't seem particularly interested in pushing that.

I'm not saying he's leftist, just that none of his policies are any bolder than typical center right politicians. And he hasn't even pushed for constitutional carry, with the GOP having full control of the state government.
Alabama is Alabama... You can't compare. That's like saying "apple juice is sweet, but pure cane sugar comes on top". Obviously if you compare to the conservative epicenter of Alabama, you're not going to be as conservative. If your definition of ultra-conservative is Alabama, then sure, Abbott doesn't fit that description. But his policies are no doubt deep red.
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Old 06-03-2020, 03:59 PM
 
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Not true. Jobs, higher education, and lower cost of living are the biggest factors.

https://www.kut.org/post/fewer-out-s...s%20for%20work.
I didn't say they weren't factors. I said most who move are conservatives. This can be confirmed in the most recent senate race. I said nothing about factors other than they are fed up with their blue states (could it be because those blue states have implemented policies that removed jobs from the state and made the cost of living higher? Nah, couldn't be....)
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Old 06-03-2020, 04:23 PM
 
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however there are pockets of conservative values in tx and i live in one and love it. my daily life is not effected much by the feds other than taxes and i appreciate how the state government works. so i my little area in the county we will vote red for years to come as we a hundreds of miles away from the liberal crap of austin and houston. nice to visit but i dont have to live there
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