Dems fleeing CA for TX, but still voting Dem.. (Center: public school, taxi)

[supfromthesite]

Originally Posted by As Above So Below...

You arent entitled to anything because of your political opinion alone. Liberals arent either. You dont get to designate a place as "conservative" and then plant a flag. This nation is one. We can move where we like an vote for the people we like. Especially when your own state government is the one poaching jobs from liberal states, you cant expect people to just move and change politics.

Texas also does NOT belong in the same grouping as Oklahoma and Wyoming if were talking politics. At best, Texas is 60% conservative 40% liberal among those that identify one or the other. Its probably closer to 55/45. The other states are MUCH more conservative.

Texas is historically as conservative/libertarian as any other state, and far moreso than most. The only thing that has changed this is people moving from other places. The whole point of Texas gaining independence was because of freedom.

And for that matter, that is why America got independence. So, yes. I think we do get to plant our flag.

[texasdiver]

Originally Posted by supfromthesite

"Ann" (not Anne) Richards only won because Clayton Williams made some questionable comments right before the election. Even then, she barely won. Do people do this to try to be sneaky and hope nobody will catch on?

You mean like how both George W. Bush and Donald Trump both won the presidency? Do those not count either?

[supfromthesite]

Originally Posted by texasdiver

Nonsense. Texas has vast red areas and also bright blue areas like Austin, San Antonio, Houston, and increasingly urban Dallas and Fort Worth.

Outsiders tend not to move to the deep red parts of Texas like say Marshall or Amarillo or rural west Texas. They move to the blue parts like Austin and Houston that have always been blue.

I expect most Democrats would be perfectly happy to give you the red parts of Texas to play in (everything more than 100 miles from I-35 and I-45) if you also agreed to leave them alone in the blue parts of Texas and not try to dictate how cities like Austin, San Antonio, and Houston manage their own affairs when it comes to things like education, health care, women's reproductive rights, environmental protection, and so forth.

Nonsense.

Historically, Harris County voted Republican at the presidential level from the mid-20th century until 2008; Barack Obama was the first Democrat to win the county since Texas native Lyndon Johnson in 1964. Democratic strength is found in the city of Houston. Suburban areas such as Cypress, Spring, and Katy in the county's western and northern areas, tend to be strongly Republican.

Historically, Austin, and to a far lesser extent, the hill country, are the only liberal parts of Texas. In 1992 the county Houston is in went Red even though almost 19% of the population voted for Ross Perot! Same with Nixon in 1968! 18% of the county voted for George freaking Wallace and Nixon still won the county! You don't know what you are talking about.

[supfromthesite]

Originally Posted by texasdiver

You mean like how both George W. Bush and Donald Trump both won the presidency? Do those not count either?

Yes, we all know that immigrants and out of state people moving in have changed Texas. Congratulations for ruining another great state.

[tmtex]

Originally Posted by texasdiver

Yes.

building of walls between the US and Mexico

And Joe Biden isn't Hillary Clinton.

There needs to be a wall between US and Mexico.

As a Trump supporter sadly I think it wont be Biden as the president but a radical Harris

[texasdiver]

Originally Posted by supfromthesite

The whole point of Texas gaining independence was because of freedom.

Actually pretty much the opposite.

A major reason why Anglo Texans revolted was to preserve slavery. White planters moving in from other southern states like Louisiana and Mississippi brought their slaves with them to establish cotton plantations in Texas, mostly in east Texas and along the Gulf Coast. Mexico abolished slavery in 1829 and extended that abolition to Texas in 1830. The Texas revolution began in 1835. By 1836 the new constitution of the Republic of Texas re-instated slavery. That timeline is not a coincidence. And after statehood in 1845 the Texas legislature passed a whole series of laws further restricting the rights of free blacks within Texas.

Freedom? Not so much.

Of course that's not the Texas history that is taught in Texas public schools.

[supfromthesite]

So, you agree that Texas has always been conservative?

[As Above So Below...]

Originally Posted by supfromthesite

Yes, we all know that immigrants and out of state people moving in have changed Texas. Congratulations for ruining another great state.

You’re welcome.

Originally Posted by supfromthesite

And for that matter, that is why America got independence. So, yes. I think we do get to plant our flag.

That’s pie in the sky garbage. You don’t get to plant your flag. That’s not how the real world works. If it did, I would personally own the island of Maui. We are Americans and we share all 50 states. We have freedom of movement and the freedom to vote for who we wish.

[supfromthesite]

And we have the freedom to criticize those fake Texans who are ruining our state (aka carpetbaggers). I don't see the problem.

[texasdiver]

Originally Posted by supfromthesite

So, you agree that Texas has always been conservative?

No I would not agree. Texas has a strong liberal tradition from politicians like LBJ, Lloyd Bentson, Sam Rayburn, and Bob Bullock to the establishment of world class public universities and (up until recently) strong support for world-class public education.