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Old 03-31-2021, 09:51 AM
 
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Well, if we look at the ancestry of Caucasians in both, DFW and East Texas have more English than any other groups. However, Austin, San Antonio, and South Texas have more German than any other group. Pretty much all of the deep South cities have few Germans but lots of English.
I suspect a lot more Scotch-Irish than English. I was just re-reading Leyburn's book on the Scotch-Irish and he notes that a lot of census data from the 19th century indicated Scotch-Irish as "English", but analysis of family names shows that the Scotch-Irish fraction was a lot greater than even the census data indicate.

Certainly the folkways of the Texans follow those of the Celts more closely than those of the Anglos.
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Old 03-31-2021, 12:49 PM
 
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I disagree with non-English ancestry being unSouthern necessarily. There are plenty of French and Italian descent people in Louisiana who seem like full blown Southerners to me.
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Old 03-31-2021, 02:33 PM
 
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I disagree with non-English ancestry being unSouthern necessarily. There are plenty of French and Italian descent people in Louisiana who seem like full blown Southerners to me.
Who said anything about non-English? We were talking about Germans.
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Old 03-31-2021, 02:38 PM
 
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Well, last I checked Germans WERE "non-English".

My mention of Scotch-Irish was in response to the claim that non-Germans in Texas were mostly English; I said that I believe the people they're calling "English" were almost certainly Scotch-Irish, not English.
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Old 03-31-2021, 03:07 PM
 
Location: Houston, TX
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Well, last I checked Germans WERE "non-English".

My mention of Scotch-Irish was in response to the claim that non-Germans in Texas were mostly English; I said that I believe the people they're calling "English" were almost certainly Scotch-Irish, not English.
Non-English = everyone on Earth that isnt English

German = people who are from Germany or have German ancestry
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Old 03-31-2021, 04:35 PM
 
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I think you and I are inadvertently arguing about another poster's inadequate reading comprehension.

The statement was made, in effect, that the non-German, non-Hispanic settlement in South Texas was primarily English. I countered that the non-German, non-Hispanic settlement in South Texas was actually primarily Scotch-Irish. Scotch-Irish are NOT English.

There were probably some additional subtleties in there that have escaped me, such as whether those angels dancing on the point of a pin were doing the mambo or the cha-cha.
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Old 03-31-2021, 05:40 PM
 
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Well, if we look at the ancestry of Caucasians in both, DFW and East Texas have more English than any other groups. However, Austin, San Antonio, and South Texas have more German than any other group. Pretty much all of the deep South cities have few Germans but lots of English.
This is an entirely different discussion but the "self reported ancestry" of Americans is not accurate. Most white Americans are mixed with tons of things. If somebody has a German great grandfather but the rest of their family has been here since the colonial days they will likely identify as German, despite only being 1/8 German and possibly 7/8s British.
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Old 03-31-2021, 05:42 PM
 
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I suspect a lot more Scotch-Irish than English. I was just re-reading Leyburn's book on the Scotch-Irish and he notes that a lot of census data from the 19th century indicated Scotch-Irish as "English", but analysis of family names shows that the Scotch-Irish fraction was a lot greater than even the census data indicate.

Certainly the folkways of the Texans follow those of the Celts more closely than those of the Anglos.
Scots-Irish are another term for Ulster-Scots. Both people from Scotland and Northern England (the borderlands) came to Northern/Ulster Ireland. So, one could be "Scots-Irish" but be genetically English.

I don't think there were more Scots-Irish than English that came to the South. And the English had a pretty big head start. Most of my (colonial) family is English and they were all in Texas by the 1900s (except for one line that was in Arkansas)
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Old 04-02-2021, 06:03 PM
 
Location: South Texas
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Texas is in the middle of the country, not super far east or west. The only part that is really "western" is the spur that sticks out under New Mexico.

...says the person who has obviously never experienced the culture in the Panhandle, South Plains, Permian Basin, Big Country, or Concho Valley.
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Old 04-04-2021, 02:10 PM
 
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...says the person who has obviously never experienced the culture in the Panhandle, South Plains, Permian Basin, Big Country, or Concho Valley.
Yeah, Gipson did research for Old Yeller on our family ranch outside Harlingen. South Texas being "Southern" is ludicrous. It's where all the damn cattle came from to start all the other ranches in the west.
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