UT to potentially leave Big 12; lawmakers mad (Canyon, Howe: ranked, building)

[ScoPro]

Originally Posted by Nuclear Bear

The Baylor Bears are the 2021 BIGXII Conference Champions in Football, Mens Basketball and Womens basketball.
2021 National Champions in Men's Basketball
2019 National Champions in Women's Basketball

Baylor is a synonym for CHAMPION....and accomplishing all of this with a smidgen of the money and resources that UT and A&M have. The Bears do this without the assistance of the public taxpayer.

Baylor has the best athletic department in the entire country....at least when it comes to revenue sports.

All true except for two points...

The “synonym” fantasy... as few outside McLennan County know anything about Baylor much less care.
But props for rebuilding the football & basketball programs after those disgraceful scandals that tainted the school’s reputation. Your AD has been brilliant with his coaching hires since the school fired that toxic dirtbag Briles.

“Best athletic department in the entire country”. Talk about bragging! Win a national championship in football first. Lol You guys were 1’ short of losing that game to Okie Lite Saturday..... thanks to a temporarily weakened OU & UT. But win you did, and congratulations. Now win your bowl game.

BTW - UT Athletics do not operate with taxpayer money.... in fact gives $10,000,000 a year to the academic side of the University.

[texasdiver]

Originally Posted by ScoPro

All true except for two points...

The “synonym” fantasy... as few outside McLennan County know anything about Baylor much less care.
But props for rebuilding the football & basketball programs after those disgraceful scandals that tainted the school’s reputation. Your AD has been brilliant with his coaching hires since the school fired that toxic dirtbag Briles.

“Best athletic department in the entire country”. Talk about bragging! Win a national championship in football first. Lol You guys were 1’ short of losing that game to Okie Lite Saturday..... thanks to a temporarily weakened OU & UT. But win you did, and congratulations. Now win your bowl game.

BTW - UT Athletics do not operate with taxpayer money.... in fact gives $10,000,000 a year to the academic side of the University.

I'm no big Baylor booster. But realistically speaking, the only private schools that have better athletic programs than Baylor are Stanford, USC, and Notre Dame. And Baylor is making up ground on those programs pretty fast. That puts them in pretty good company. Most private schools in this country are more like Vanderbilt, Northwestern, Wake Forest, Boston College, etc. They have the occasional good year in one sport here and there but aren't perennial multi-sport powers decade after decade. Only Stanford, USC, and Notre Dame accomplish that. Even Duke is pretty pathetic in everything but men's hoops.

Rising to the top and staying on the top is a lot more difficult for a private school than massive public school I think. Only perhaps Notre Dame which for 100 years has painted itself as the national team for Catholics, has the fan base of any of the top 20 public universities.

[DanielWayne]

The new Big 12 > Old Big 12. Baylor is national champs in basketball and conference champs in football. Congrats Baylor. And congrats UH for the strong showing in football and basketball with only a miniscule fraction of the athletic budget as the burnt orange. Cincy in the playoffs. OkState was almost there, too. And they all earned it. They didn't trip and fall backwards into a New Years Bowl game with a mediocre 8-4 record. They earned it.

I do admit I got a chuckle when I read how much UT spent to jettison both Strong and Herman, and then spent another boatload for a 5-7 record. Shouldn't have messed with the Coogs head coach when UH was rolling over the likes of OU and Louisville, now you have to deal with the Cougar curse. Just ask the Aggies about that.

[breezywind]

Originally Posted by ScoPro

That is just wishful thinking. The new NIL rules means the lesser programs are going to be outbid for recruits by the big $$$$
Texas’ problem has been crappy coaching hires this past decade, then let down by their incompetence. Expectations are high in Austin (among other things ) and this current mediocrity will not be tolerated much longer.
Texas has never said anything about being entitled, especially after being owned by the Sooners for 20 years.... that would be the delusional braggarts at A&M who have won very little hardware in this century.
If you read the UT message boards, there is no delusion there. AU contraire.... just the opposite.
There is no other board that will start a thread “Fire Coach _____” before he even plays his first game at the 40 acres.

Wishful? Its happening already. The Florida schools. USC isnt what it used to be. Michigan now has a tru competitor for recruiting with Cinicinnati. Baylor and UH arent going to disappear and roll over like they used to.

No one should realistically think UT, OU, or A&M are going to magically become bottom dwellers. Of course not. But the landscape has changed, and kids dont really care about it as much as the boomer boosters do. Competition is a healthy thing. No one school dominates the state anymore. Theres no need to gaslight, since Longhorn fans have been nothing but supportive to the success of Baylor or UH or Tech in basketball. I know you mustve cheered for all three. At the start of this thread, it was all praise to the little brothers in the state.

[ScoPro]

Yes, the landscape changed over the past decade, but it has this year undergone perhaps its biggest change since scholarship limitations, what with the new NIL rules.
Money talks with this generation of recruits, and the bidding is about to get ugly.

There has been nothing but wishful & bitter thinking from most of the left behind fans here predicting the demise of the departed. Very shortsighted, IMO.

Good luck to the Big 12 after the two biggestvprograms leave.

[Nuclear Bear]

Originally Posted by ScoPro

Yes, the landscape changed over the past decade, but it has this year undergone perhaps its biggest change since scholarship limitations, what with the new NIL rules.
Money talks with this generation of recruits, and the bidding is about to get ugly.

There has been nothing but wishful & bitter thinking from most of the left behind fans here predicting the demise of the departed. Very shortsighted, IMO.

Good luck to the Big 12 after the two biggestvprograms leave.

Wishful thinking?

You guys just went 5-7.

I said all summer that the Texas Longhorns were nothing more than a paper tiger. The only thing todays Longhorn fan can still brag about is the past and $$$$.

[ScoPro]

Originally Posted by Nuclear Bear

Wishful thinking?

You guys just went 5-7.

I said all summer that the Texas Longhorns were nothing more than a paper tiger. The only thing todays Longhorn fan can still brag about is the past and $$$$.

Baylor never has won a football national championship and isn’t going to in this decade.
The best decade in Baylor’s history history, yet virtually even head to head with The Longhorns in our worst decade.
Texas will rise in spite of the temporary setbacks in recent seasons.
Book it, Dano.

[RayStokes]

Originally Posted by DanielWayne

The new Big 12 > Old Big 12. Baylor is national champs in basketball and conference champs in football. Congrats Baylor. And congrats UH for the strong showing in football and basketball with only a miniscule fraction of the athletic budget as the burnt orange. Cincy in the playoffs. OkState was almost there, too. And they all earned it. They didn't trip and fall backwards into a New Years Bowl game with a mediocre 8-4 record. They earned it.

I do admit I got a chuckle when I read how much UT spent to jettison both Strong and Herman, and then spent another boatload for a 5-7 record. Shouldn't have messed with the Coogs head coach when UH was rolling over the likes of OU and Louisville, now you have to deal with the Cougar curse. Just ask the Aggies about that.

Who tripped and fell backwards into a NY bowl with a 8-4 record not earning it? I'm assuming you're talking about 2018 Texas, who was actually 9-4 but finished 2nd in the Big 12 behind a playoff bound conference champion. How exactly did they not earn that bowl based on their conference standing and bowl tie-ins? Did they not also prove they deserved to be there by the actual result?

Herman did exactly what he did at Houston at Texas. He won some big games surprising people and then lost other games he shouldn't. Always coaching up or down to the level of his opponents. His firing may have been premature, IMHO, but ultimately the expectations are higher at Texas than Houston and he didn't meet those expectations of the ones making the decisions. There's no such thing as sports curses, just peaks and valleys and the ebb and flow of the everchanging college sports landscape.

[ScoPro]

Originally Posted by RayStokes

Who tripped and fell backwards into a NY bowl with a 8-4 record not earning it? I'm assuming you're talking about 2018 Texas, who was actually 9-4 but finished 2nd in the Big 12 behind a playoff bound conference champion. How exactly did they not earn that bowl based on their conference standing and bowl tie-ins? Did they not also prove they deserved to be there by the actual result?

Herman did exactly what he did at Houston at Texas. He won some big games surprising people and then lost other games he shouldn't. Always coaching up or down to the level of his opponents. His firing may have been premature, IMHO, but ultimately the expectations are higher at Texas than Houston and he didn't meet those expectations of the ones making the decisions. There's no such thing as sports curses, just peaks and valleys and the ebb and flow of the everchanging college sports landscape.

You are correct. But the detractors look as silly as those Georgia fans did after Herman & Ehlinger manhandled Georgia in the Sugar Bowl (“the Dawgs didn’t want to be there” lol).

But whether or not Sark can coach Texas out of the school’s current Grand Canyon remains to be seen.
The o-line and defense fixes are critical to that movement.

[RayStokes]

Originally Posted by ScoPro

You are correct. But the detractors look as silly as those Georgia fans did after Herman & Ehlinger manhandled Georgia in the Sugar Bowl (“the Dawgs didn’t want to be there” lol).

But whether or not Sark can coach Texas out of the school’s current Grand Canyon remains to be seen.
The o-line and defense fixes are critical to that movement.

The standard SEC excuse after losing a bowl game.

Wait....does that mean we can start using that going forward?