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You are talking about methodology and you're using anecdotal evidence? That's like a person in jail for domestic abuse discussing parenting..
California is doing fine and will have a $31 billion budget surplus -its universities like Cal-Berkeley- Stanford and Cal-Tech make a mockery of our higher education.
In that case, what’s your evidence driven reasoning for the droves of people fleeing the state for places like Phoenix, Dallas, Atlanta, Miami, Houston?
I mean, surely that $31 Bil surplus and universities like Standford and Berkeley are doing a great job at retaining taxpayers
#1 Since we’re going to dispute on the premise of education, you seem to be in need of brushing up as well as you seem to be ignorant of the fact that Miami is ‘not’ a democratic city. It’s controlled by a republican Mayor. Yes, I’m quite aware that they’re growing. What else would they be doing when droves of Californians leaving the state are flocking to them? Definitely not shrinking. None the less the mass movement from California to those places has little to do with the local politics of the aforementioned metro areas but more to do with extremity from the place they’re coming from. My question to you once again of which you obviously deflected because you know the answer does not support your argument, why are they flocking to those places in such extraordinary numbers? Why are Californians ‘leaving’ if it seems to be doing such a great job on the education and economic ends of the spectrum?
#2 Oregon and Washington while extreme are still less extreme than California. Keep in mind neither of those states offer universities similar in parallel to Stanford or Berkeley. What’s attracting their growth from California?
" Miami-Dade County, FL is Leaning liberal. In Miami-Dade County, FL 53.3% of the people voted Democrat in the last presidential election, 46.0% voted for the Republican Party, and the remaining 0.7% voted Independent."
Do I need to do the same for Dallas and Houston? [Mod cut: rude/personal]
Remember my premise is that Trump and Republicans are less educated. [Mod cut: rude/personal]
First let's make sure we are on the same page 53.3% is more than 46%
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I'll gladly answer why Californians are leaving - even though the state is still growing. [Mod cut: rude/personal]
Bigger is not necessarily better.
One reasons is crowding- many people would like to live where there is much less traffic. Even small towns in Cal have traffic. Why because California has been so successful that people flock there. From 2010 to 2020 ( US Census) Cal grew by 2.4 million (6.5%) while not among the fastest growers that is still a lot of people to absorb. [Mod cut: rude/personal]
Another reason people leave is to buy cheaper land. They may have worked years at super high salaries and have a few million saved and/or in their house value. Why live in a 2500 sq ft house that costs over a million when you can buy one twice as big
in Texas for half the price? I have a 6500sq ft historic home that is probably worth $800k overlooking downtown El Paso. In Berkeley where I went to college - that would cost - gee maybe $3 million for the same house. I could get 50 acres outside of Berkeley for perhaps $600k but instead I bought 503 acres for that price along the Columbia River in Washington along with 350 young Douglas Firs.
[Mod cut: rude/personal] None of this means California is a bad place and its economy is still growing at a nice pace--it just means for me and others I'd rather have much more land - quiet and house for the money.
of course there are other reasons people leave- to be with children or grandkids for a different job - to see and live in a new place-because they miss the four seasons but the first two are key.
" Miami-Dade County, FL is Leaning liberal. In Miami-Dade County, FL 53.3% of the people voted Democrat in the last presidential election, 46.0% voted for the Republican Party, and the remaining 0.7% voted Independent."
…Yes…
…You do…
and was also recently re-elected after winning by a wide margin… could it be some members of team blue may be leaning red due to political extremity?
Prior to being elected with 86 percent support from Miami residents, Mayor Suarez served as Miami Commissioner for District 4 during eight years
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Remember my premise is that Trump and Republicans are less educated. You won't understand but every time you post you demonstrate MY POINT.
First let's make sure we are okay n the same page 53.3% is more than 46% you can ascertain that by using your calculator and subtracting 46 from 53.3 - let's try it and find out-- what is the difference?
I’m sorry but as cute as you’re trying to sound with your 5 minute google search after having not a single clue as to the subject you jumped into before hand, you ‘don’t’ know as much as you think you do. This trait alone makes you the perfect candidate for California.
If you re-read the quoted post of your article (hint: I read it and knew of it before you even posted it), you will find that those numbers represent a presidential election and in no way represents what the citizens of that locality feel about their local government. The most recent Presidential election and is largely influenced by Trumps low popularity and poor performance. Millions of otherwise red or light red voters across the country voted blue the past election for a more moderate national leader. Williamson County in Texas voted blue for this years presidential election but would you really consider it a blue county? I wouldn’t. Purple at best depending on how close to the city you are.
So far the only point you’ve managed to validate is the same large distortion existing between both parties which can be summarized in two words “Over” “Generalization” … You don’t know who I voted for during the presidential election or who I will vote for during the state election. You also do not know my race or political preferences. I’ve never told you any of that, however; I will be glad to tell you that I support neither of them, that however; doesn’t make California any less hostile for me as a place to live. You can make assumptions based on a few moments of conversing on a public forum, but if that’s all you have to go by, then how are you so certain that your political preferences are indeed what’s best for everyone? You may feel strongly about them, but that doesn’t necessarily equate to it being entirely politically accurate and sound. Know someone else who had a strong political opinion? Hitler.
I’m a black male in a six figure tech role who does side gig work per pandemic recoveries and am personally much more afraid of a rich white liberal than I am of a mal-educated conservative. I’m not denying that there isn’t an abundance of either spectrum nor am I stating that there aren’t problems from either party, but the rich white liberal wants to reimagine society as he sees fit, even if others have legitimate reasons for disagreeing with him. They’re far too opinionated and anyone who disagrees with their values is automatically labeled.
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I'll gladly answer why Californians are leaving - even though the state is still growing. Whether you will understand it is a totally different question
Bigger is not necessarily better.
One reasons is crowding- many people would like to live where there is much less traffic. Even small towns in Cal have traffic. Why because California has been so successful that people flock there. From 2010 to 2020 ( US Census) Cal grew by 2.4 million (6.5%) while not among the fastest growers that is still a lot of people to absorb. See if you can write that number.
This is accurate. California is still growing and is also overpopulated. Much of that has to do with STEM, BioTech, Desirability, Weather, Nature/Scenery. I’m not knocking California here. It does have a strong economy the corporate exodus from there leads to a false illusion that California is economically failing. It isn’t. BUT this is what I am trying to convey to you. That strong economic foundation, while admirable; doesn’t necessarily equate it to being a desirable place to live. You can really twist the argument by modifying and trimming certain factors and say similar things about Texas or Florida or Georgia or even Pennsylvania.
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Another reason people leave is to buy cheaper land. They may have worked years at super high salaries and have a few million saved and/or in their house value. Why live in a 2500 sq ft house that costs over a million when you can buy one twice as big
in Texas for half the price? I have a 6500sq ft historic home that is probably worth $800k overlooking downtown El Paso. In Berkeley where I went to college - that would cost - gee maybe $3 million for the same house. I could get 50 acres outside of Berkeley for perhaps $600k but instead I bought 503 acres for that price along the Columbia River in Washington along with 350 young Douglas Firs.
These people are moving. They aren’t just seeking investment property. They want out. Yes. Texas along with many states offer a plethora more than California when comparing similar real estate. That’s a no brainer. Many of those folks have their taxes locked in and were capable of keeping home affordability inspire of disproportionately high home values (Prop 13) in which I might add actually had an adverse affect in helping California’s real estate. People cannot move up easily within the state because of it. They have to take in the new tax rate, AND combat the excruciating home values of staying within the state. The Home Values in California are affected by various factors. Environmental, Material Supply, Heavy Demand, and yes… …political reasons as well. As it turns out California adds the least supply of new housing per capita out of any state in the nation. Property Tax caps force local governments whom would otherwise zone for more residential space to zone for commercial and industrial use instead. Why? Well, where are they going to get their tax revenue from?
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You can barely read and write ,so don't pretend you're a demographer. I dont want to send your head spinning but you probably didnt know that California has more Republican Counties than Democratic ones -its just that the Dem Counties are more populous.
I’m perfectly aware that California is not entirely blue, although my premonition and dispute with California had nothing to do with its political makeup but rather its political extremity… Secondly, Do those counties make up for the majority of the states population?
Not from what I can tell…
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Do some reading - don't state facts which you have made up and hey its never too late to get that GED!
…The irony of this statement…
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" Miami-Dade County, FL is Leaning liberal. In Miami-Dade County, FL 53.3% of the people voted Democrat in the last presidential election, 46.0% voted for the Republican Party, and the remaining 0.7% voted Independent."
Do I need to do the same for Dallas and Houston? [Mod cut: rude/personal]
Remember my premise is that Trump and Republicans are less educated. [Mod cut: rude/personal]
First let's make sure we are on the same page 53.3% is more than 46%
[Mod cut: rude/personal]
I'll gladly answer why Californians are leaving - even though the state is still growing. [Mod cut: rude/personal]
Bigger is not necessarily better.
One reasons is crowding- many people would like to live where there is much less traffic. Even small towns in Cal have traffic. Why because California has been so successful that people flock there. From 2010 to 2020 ( US Census) Cal grew by 2.4 million (6.5%) while not among the fastest growers that is still a lot of people to absorb. [Mod cut: rude/personal]
Another reason people leave is to buy cheaper land. They may have worked years at super high salaries and have a few million saved and/or in their house value. Why live in a 2500 sq ft house that costs over a million when you can buy one twice as big
in Texas for half the price? I have a 6500sq ft historic home that is probably worth $800k overlooking downtown El Paso. In Berkeley where I went to college - that would cost - gee maybe $3 million for the same house. I could get 50 acres outside of Berkeley for perhaps $600k but instead I bought 503 acres for that price along the Columbia River in Washington along with 350 young Douglas Firs.
[Mod cut: rude/personal] None of this means California is a bad place and its economy is still growing at a nice pace--it just means for me and others I'd rather have much more land - quiet and house for the money.
of course there are other reasons people leave- to be with children or grandkids for a different job - to see and live in a new place-because they miss the four seasons but the first two are key.
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Interesting to see so many rude/personal tags on one post. Do you really think that will make anyone open to what you have to say?
Given your post history I doubt you would put yourself in a situation to meet anyone like that.
I go to bars almost every night and am constantly meeting people. Very few democrats. I suppose they could all be staying home because they are still afraid of covid.
All you have to do is look at voting trends to see which areas are trending left and which are trending right. Texas was less Republican in the most recent election than it was since Nixon implemented the Southern Strategy. Why? The suburbs and urban areas. Thats hard data. If things were stagnantly red, there would be no need to gerrymander the districts so hard. Of course the Valley is becoming less blue. Who wins in the end? I dont know and neither do you so lets not pretend to.
Thats not to say people move here with the intent to vote blue. I didnt, but I got here, was appalled by the overly religious elements of the GOP in Texas so I do vote blue and will continue to until they stop pushing laws like the most recent abortion law. Thats the case with a LOT of transplants here. They dont have a set political ideology to push but we realize that being a Republican in Texas is a lot different than it is on the coasts so we have to adjust our votes accordingly. I voted red in most local elections in California. I wouldnt dream of it here.
Give me a Republican party that is simply good with low taxes and regulation and Ill vote for them. Once you get rid of the Bible-Thumping, Christian nationalist, and Trump style populism, Ill consider it.
It's because young people are typically more liberal....
Or you could look at the results of a more recent election in 2020. The border regions arguably some of the bluest districts in the state. Gonzales won by much larger margins than his predecessor Hurd in TX23 the largest border district in the country. Trump did remarkably better in 2020 than he did in 16. Probably a safe assumption that the percentages in those areas favor Native-Texans over Transplants.
I saw way more Trump flags down south this past weekend than I ever thought I would have. Duval, Jim Hogg, and Webb County. All very Mexican counties
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