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Old 11-03-2021, 10:04 PM
 
Location: East Texas, with the Clan of the Cave Bear
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Texas is changing and its part of a national trend.

Blue collar and small town Hispanics (as well as those of Cuban and Venezuelan origin) are trending red. White suburbanites are trending blue. Urban Hispanics, African-Americans, and Asians are sticking blue and rural whites are sticking red.

How that affects the electorate is simply a tug of war between those forces.
Man, that trend is on display in Virginia today. Virginia . . . a solidly blue state !

Let's have another year of the Washington Democrats and see what the Texas vote looks like. Hard core blue will keep their 30%-35% voting for destruction. What will influence everyone else is what's coming out of Washington DC and you can bet that the average voter is being shaken by inflation, prices, lack of goods, out of control multi-trillion dollar spending bills that subvert the American citizen's freedoms. Think Jimmah Carter's Washington on steroids.

Texas may turn blue, it was blue at one time. Things a cyclic. Not turning blue in the next 5 years for sure.

In fact I'm predicting a red wave thru 2024.
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Old 11-03-2021, 10:16 PM
 
Location: Flovis
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Man, that trend is on display in Virginia today. Virginia . . . a solidly blue state !

Let's have another year of the Washington Democrats and see what the Texas vote looks like. Hard core blue will keep their 30%-35% voting for destruction. What will influence everyone else is what's coming out of Washington DC and you can bet that the average voter is being shaken by inflation, prices, lack of goods, out of control multi-trillion dollar spending bills that subvert the American citizen's freedoms. Think Jimmah Carter's Washington on steroids.

Texas may turn blue, it was blue at one time. Things a cyclic. Not turning blue in the next 5 years for sure.

In fact I'm predicting a red wave thru 2024.
I used to listen to radio grifter, mark levin. I remember him saying not long ago that Virginia used to be a solid red state, but had become purple recently. He then expressed displeasure with that and mentioned that it could switch back to red with some work. Virginias never been solid blue, its a purple state much like Florida

Btw, Texas is about to pass California for covid deaths, and a cold winter might be coming soon. That's not good news for republicans. It'd be hard for people to overlook yet another freeze
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Old 11-04-2021, 09:34 AM
 
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I don’t forsee TX turning completely Blue, especially like California, Oregon, and Washington anytime soon. Purple / Moderate is where I see TX trending. The socialist democrats we have today are not the same as the Democratic Party that Texas was associated with during its time as a blue state.
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Old 11-04-2021, 09:50 AM
 
Location: Houston, TX
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I don’t forsee TX turning completely Blue, especially like California, Oregon, and Washington anytime soon. Purple / Moderate is where I see TX trending. The socialist democrats we have today are not the same as the Democratic Party that Texas was associated with during its time as a blue state.
If the Dems should have learned anything from two days ago its that they are pandering too much to the far left/socialist crowd. That works fine in a place like Boston but on state levels it works very poorly.

They have to embrace the moderates much better than they do or watch the GOP cut into their comfort zone. The flip side is that if the GOP goes running back to Trump, they are in the same place. If the GOP runs someone like Glen Youngkin in 24, Biden is toast. If they run Trump again, Biden may be re-elected.

I personally grieve for the fact that weve been forced to choose from such horrible choices and we should hate both political parties for it. Choosing from a truly despicable human scumbag vs. an impotent old man who may not all be there sucked.

How this affects Texas is that if the GOP stays with populism, they will continue to lose the burb but gain more blue collar people. If they go back to the middle, they may keep both. If Dems can embrace the moderates instead of treating them like pariahs, they will make inroads. If they embrace the socialist side, they have to be happy with only having the big cities on the coasts and nothing else.
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Old 11-04-2021, 09:56 AM
 
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I can’t rep you again.

The BIG glaring problem with the socialist left party is that they are not flexible and so caught up in their agenda that they are not willing to listen to any other voter or party other than the polarized party that they are pandering to regardless of how legitimate people outside their party may be, and will even go so far as to condemn those who don’t agree with their views, even if those views aren’t entirely whole or accurate. Many of them are just as elite and own just as many businesses and stake-holds as Republicans do yet also seem to feel entitled to enforce their beliefs only because their status and hierarchy. This is what deeply worries me about them. It’s almost recklessness in a sense.

As far as Trump vs Biden, I was screwed either way. That election was more like a case of choosing between which method this country should fall.

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Old 11-04-2021, 11:01 AM
 
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I can’t rep you again.

The BIG glaring problem with the socialist left party is that they are not flexible and so caught up in their agenda that they are not willing to listen to any other voter or party other than the polarized party that they are pandering to regardless of how legitimate people outside their party may be, and will even go so far as to condemn those who don’t agree with their views, even if those views aren’t entirely whole or accurate. Many of them are just as elite and own just as many businesses and stake-holds as Republicans do yet also seem to feel entitled to enforce their beliefs only because their status and hierarchy. This is what deeply worries me about them. It’s almost recklessness in a sense.

As far as Trump vs Biden, I was screwed either way. That election was more like a case of choosing between which method this country should fall.
Amen, great post. The far left progressive types are absolutely killing the Democrats. What happened in Virginia may not have happened had they just taken the victory that was presented in front of them - passing the bipartisan infrastructure bill. What they are showing right now is that with the infighting between the progressives and moderates, that they are not capable of governing. Democrats are really, really good at snatching defeat out of the jaws of victory.

If they can't get the infrastructure bill passed (or anything else done really) because they are letting the leftists hold everything hostage in service to the ridiculously expensive BBB bill, they deserve every bit of the massive L they're going to take nationwide in 2022.
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Old 11-04-2021, 02:19 PM
 
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I’m not buying it. Every time Democrats experience election losses, the blame immediately turns to the far-left elements of the party, as if they hold any significant power. Every President from the Democrats in the last 50 years has been Center or Center-Left. The main movers in the party are Center or Center-Left folks. The party literally blocked Bernie Sanders in favor of Joe Biden over fears he is “too left.” People just see AOC and assume all Democrats are like her. I give the Republicans props in this regard. They are excellent at controlling the political narrative around candidates. Every policy that would be regarded as “far left” has been blocked in the Senate, by ironically moderate Dems. What has been the fruits of these actions, election losses. So I just don't buy that the far left elements are to blame for their troubles, when the moderate elements hold most of the power and sway. Democrats biggest issue is keeping their voting block enthused during non-presidential election years. It’s the issue Obama faced during his presidency. Fear mongering just doesn’t work when the President isn’t on the ballot. The Supreme Court may throw them a life line by overturning Roe V Wade.
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Old 11-04-2021, 02:31 PM
 
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I’m not buying it. Every time Democrats experience election losses, the blame immediately turns to the far-left elements of the party, as if they hold any significant power. Every President from the Democrats in the last 50 years has been Center or Center-Left. The main movers in the party are Center or Center-Left folks. The party literally blocked Bernie Sanders in favor of Joe Biden over fears he is “too left.” People just see AOC and assume all Democrats are like her. I give the Republicans props in this regard. They are excellent at controlling the political narrative around candidates. Every policy that would be regarded as “far left” has been blocked in the Senate, by ironically moderate Dems. What has been the fruits of these actions, election losses. So I just don't buy that the far left elements are to blame for their troubles, when the moderate elements hold most of the power and sway. Democrats biggest issue is keeping their voting block enthused during non-presidential election years. It’s the issue Obama faced during his presidency. Fear mongering just doesn’t work when the President isn’t on the ballot. The Supreme Court may throw them a life line by overturning Roe V Wade.

But AOC and the far left element is WAY more "visible" and "vocal" than Pelosi, Schumer or the other older Democrat long term politicians.


The actions of AOC and ones like her also get WAY more play on the media.


THAT is why yes...you can blame the democrat losses on the far left elements, regardless of who holds the power in that party.
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Old 11-04-2021, 03:21 PM
 
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I’m not buying it. Every time Democrats experience election losses, the blame immediately turns to the far-left elements of the party, as if they hold any significant power. Every President from the Democrats in the last 50 years has been Center or Center-Left. The main movers in the party are Center or Center-Left folks. The party literally blocked Bernie Sanders in favor of Joe Biden over fears he is “too left.” People just see AOC and assume all Democrats are like her. I give the Republicans props in this regard. They are excellent at controlling the political narrative around candidates. Every policy that would be regarded as “far left” has been blocked in the Senate, by ironically moderate Dems. What has been the fruits of these actions, election losses. So I just don't buy that the far left elements are to blame for their troubles, when the moderate elements hold most of the power and sway. Democrats biggest issue is keeping their voting block enthused during non-presidential election years. It’s the issue Obama faced during his presidency. Fear mongering just doesn’t work when the President isn’t on the ballot. The Supreme Court may throw them a life line by overturning Roe V Wade.
I'll try to find it but there's a GREAT op ed in the NYT form a democrat big wig in VA, don't recall her name or office. Anyway, her point is the country did not elect Biden to be the new FDR. He went big, over-swinging for the left corner fence with almost no mandate and poor numbers in congress.
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Old 11-04-2021, 03:36 PM
 
Location: Houston, TX
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I'll try to find it but there's a GREAT op ed in the NYT form a democrat big wig in VA, don't recall her name or office. Anyway, her point is the country did not elect Biden to be the new FDR. He went big, over-swinging for the left corner fence with almost no mandate and poor numbers in congress.
We dont agree on politics much but we do agree here. Thats was Abigail Spanberger who said that and I wish she was the face of the Democratic party.

And yeah that was me too. I voted for Biden to get back to some sort of normal, because Im left of center, and because I really abhor Trump. Hes been a huge disappointment.
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