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Old 11-05-2021, 02:07 PM
 
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Trump actually had centrist views. You could hardly call Trump a conservative or hard core right winger. He was not an ideologue of any sort.

Trump was popular, not because he said racist things....but because he was not Hillary. The Clintons have long been unattractive to many Americans. Hillary was a failure as Secretary of State (Benghazi) and she has a cold, clammy persona and is the epitome of a crony DC insider.

Odd that you mention Trump's habits of making up conspiracies because there is plenty of video out there where Hillary is claiming the election in 2016 was stolen from her and other wild predictions as to why she lost.

I do not mean to be a cheerleader for Trump, as I am not a fan, but don't act as if Hillary and the democrats do not engage in the same tactics and craziness....they sure do.
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Old 11-05-2021, 02:24 PM
 
Location: Lifelong Southern Californian (and happy!)
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Man, that trend is on display in Virginia today. Virginia . . . a solidly blue state !
It could easily be argued that one of the main reasons Youngkin (R) won the governor's race in Virginia is because he specifically asked Trump to stay out!

I guarantee that if Trump had shown up to stump for Youngkin, the race would have easily gone the other way and McAuliffe would be governor.

Trump is, believe it or not, a huge turnoff to most moderates.

The moderates in the northern suburbs around Washington DC are the major players in Virginia elections.
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Old 11-05-2021, 02:25 PM
 
Location: Houston, TX
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Trump actually had centrist views. You could hardly call Trump a conservative or hard core right winger. He was not an ideologue of any sort.

Trump was popular, not because he said racist things....but because he was not Hillary. The Clintons have long been unattractive to many Americans. Hillary was a failure as Secretary of State (Benghazi) and she has a cold, clammy persona and is the epitome of a crony DC insider.

Odd that you mention Trump's habits of making up conspiracies because there is plenty of video out there where Hillary is claiming the election in 2016 was stolen from her and other wild predictions as to why she lost.

I do not mean to be a cheerleader for Trump, as I am not a fan, but don't act as if Hillary and the democrats do not engage in the same tactics and craziness....they sure do.
Trumps views were not centrist, hes a populist driven by his ego. All of the things that have happened post election were because he couldnt handle the bruises to his ego. Not all of his views were right wing (like on trade), but his views on immigration were very far right. Again, thats populism.

Youre also going to have to show where I was somehow defending or talking positively about Hillary. If you cant, than its irrelevant to my previous post.
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Old 11-05-2021, 02:33 PM
 
Location: Lifelong Southern Californian (and happy!)
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I don’t forsee TX turning completely Blue, especially like California, Oregon, and Washington anytime soon. Purple / Moderate is where I see TX trending. The socialist democrats we have today are not the same as the Democratic Party that Texas was associated with during its time as a blue state.
The Democrats of the FDR era were actually far more "socialist" than the party is now. FDR/New Deal Democrats supported a Keynesian response to social issues, poverty and were all for an increase in the welfare state and social spending. FDR Democrats were very ideologically aligned with Social Democratic /Socialist parties on the European continent.

How many elected Democrats at the federal level actually believe in a return to FDR-style social spending? ...I can count maybe 4 or 5.

Most elected Democrats are center-left or just plain ol' centrists.
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Old 11-05-2021, 02:33 PM
 
Location: Houston, TX
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It could easily be argued that one of the main reasons Youngkin (R) won the governor's race in Virginia is because he specifically asked Trump to stay out!

I guarantee that if Trump had shown up to stump for Youngkin, the race would have easily gone the other way and McAuliffe would be governor.

Trump is, believe it or not, a huge turnoff to most moderates.

The moderates in the northern suburbs around Washington DC are the major players in Virginia elections.
This.

Had Trump campaigned with Youngkin, he probably would have lost. Part of the reason he did win was because he kept Trump out of Virginia.
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Old 11-05-2021, 03:06 PM
 
Location: Lifelong Southern Californian (and happy!)
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There's some lessons to be learned here for BOTH the Democrats and Republicans:


For Democrats:

1.) Stop with the "woke" BS! We, as Americans, have more in common than we don't. You look stupid when you preach egalitarianism while taking money for causes from people like George Soros.

2.) Give transgender/transsexual people the option of a single, non-stall bathroom to use and be done with it. Most people are tired of arguing over .01% of the population. People within the LGBT population are growing weary of this, too.

3.) Step back from your "defund the police" nonsense! The overwhelming majority of the US believe in law and order. There has to be consequences for criminality.

For Republicans:

1.) Ditch QAnon. It looks stupid and childish to keep relying on conspiracy theories that keep being disproven over and over again. Donald Trump is not your savior! Covid-19 is real, and dangerous. "lEtS gO bRaNdOn" chants and references are stupid and make you look like morons during a pandemic.

2.) Climate change is real. Sorry, but it is. Quit pretending it isn't and work with Democrats on this issue that effects all of us!

3.) Stop trying to dismantle the social safety net! People need it and, as a first world country, this is a necessity! We're not a developing nation and nobody wants to go back to the Wild West days of having to rely on churches for charity. Most upcoming Americans have become adverse to religious identification, anyways.
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Old 11-05-2021, 03:45 PM
 
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Trump actually had centrist views. You could hardly call Trump a conservative or hard core right winger. He was not an ideologue of any sort.
Trump is a right wing populist
The right wing version of Hugo Chavez


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Old 11-05-2021, 03:48 PM
 
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For Democrats:

3.) Step back from your "defund the police" nonsense! The overwhelming majority of the US believe in law and order. There has to be consequences for criminality.
That's made up by the media
What everybody wants and agrees on is = police reform



Make police more accountable, support the good police officer and remove the bad ones
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Old 11-05-2021, 04:52 PM
 
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The Democrats of the FDR era were actually far more "socialist" than the party is now. FDR/New Deal Democrats supported a Keynesian response to social issues, poverty and were all for an increase in the welfare state and social spending. FDR Democrats were very ideologically aligned with Social Democratic /Socialist parties on the European continent.

How many elected Democrats at the federal level actually believe in a return to FDR-style social spending? ...I can count maybe 4 or 5.

Most elected Democrats are center-left or just plain ol' centrists.
Errr no. Virtually no Americans who supported FDR and or his New Deal had much of an idea who JMK was let alone what Keynes meant.

One of recent history's greatest sleights of hand involves portraying JMK as something akin to that era's Thomas Piketty/Amartya Sen/James Meadway/most of the Kansas City School etc.

Piketty is a communist who desires a world wide taxing authority and of course punitive rates. JMK's, peacetime, desired optimal level of taxation looked very much like Art Laffer's curve. Don't take my word for it look it up.
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Old 11-05-2021, 05:01 PM
 
Location: Dallas
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That's made up by the media
What everybody wants and agrees on is = police reform



Make police more accountable, support the good police officer and remove the bad ones
True. "Defund the Police" was a horrible slogan to use when the majority wanted to reform the police like move some money away from the police and more funding for social workers take care of the homeless and mentally challenged. Except for the extreme left wing (AOC for example), police reform and accountability for bad cops were what most people want (not to get rid of any police department).
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