View Poll Results: Should Texas keep "Confederate Heroes Day" as a state holiday?
Yes
19 28.36%
No
48 71.64%
01-22-2022, 04:09 PM
Location: Austin, TX
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Originally Posted by
Babe_Ruth
I[...]Gloating because the Southern states were forced to stay in a Union they no longer wanted. . [...]
Replace 'stay in a union they no longer wanted' with 'give up their slaves'. That was the only real driver for their dissatisfaction with the Union.
01-22-2022, 04:51 PM
Location: San Diego CA>Tijuana, BC>San Antonio, TX
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America... love it or leave it.
Guess the confeds took that to heart.
01-22-2022, 05:01 PM
Location: Southeast Arizona
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Originally Posted by
Dopo
Do you know why they were financially destroyed?
Take a look how much in billions, in 1860s money that cost.
In todays money it would be in the low trillions, it was 3 billion in 1860.
If that happened today it’d be worse than 1929 and 2008 combined.
01-22-2022, 05:11 PM
Location: WA
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Originally Posted by
Trainwreck20
Replace 'stay in a union they no longer wanted' with 'give up their slaves'. That was the only real driver for their dissatisfaction with the Union.
In point of fact, abolition wasn't really a cause of the civil war. At the war's start there were no serious proposals for abolition. That would have required a constitutional amendment that would have been impossible to pass as long as the Confederate states remained in the union. It was not until they left that it was possible for Lincoln to pass the 13th Amendment and even then, only just barely. By walking out of the union they made abolition possible.
Confederate states were fighting about westward expansion of slavery into free states like Kansas. And seeking to regulate the conduct of free states through laws like the fugitive slave act. They didn't just want to maintain slavery. They wanted to expand it, and force the rest of the country to help them maintain their slave empires.
If the Confederate states had been content to simply maintain slavery within their own borders and not try to expand it then there would have been no Civil War.
Last edited by texasdiver; 01-22-2022 at 05:32 PM ..
01-22-2022, 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted by
Desert kid
Take a look how much in billions, in 1860s money that cost.
Don’t want to lose money when slaves are freed?
Don’t buy slaves
01-22-2022, 05:56 PM
Location: 78745
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Originally Posted by
Desert kid
Take a look how much in billions, in 1860s money that cost.
But weren't the Southern slave-owners given reparation$?
01-22-2022, 06:08 PM
Location: WA
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Ivory Lee Spurlock
But weren't the Southern slave-owners given reparation$?
No.
Well, in 1862 when slaves in Washington DC were emancipated the local Washington DC slaveholders were given Federal reparations.
But slaveholders in the Confederate states got no reparations after losing the Civil War. That notion would have been inconceivable to the Union states who won the war at such tremendous cost and who controlled the post-war Congress.
01-22-2022, 06:45 PM
Location: 78745
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texasdiver
No.
That's good to hear. I had heard they did but I didn't know for sure.
01-22-2022, 08:13 PM
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Originally Posted by
Trainwreck20
Replace 'stay in a union they no longer wanted' with 'give up their slaves'. That was the only real driver for their dissatisfaction with the Union.
If you believe secession was solely about defending slavery.. why would you (et al) be celebrating (& gloating about) the fact that those slave-owners were forced to remain your countrymen ?
This was the question I was originally addressing.. why do modern haters of the Confederacy celebrate the subjugation of the Southern states. If you (et al) hate the Confederates so much.. why is it good news that they were forced to stay as Americans. I never hear this question sincerely answered. Debating the causes of secession is a different issue, than modern Americans calling Confederates 'losers', out of one side of their mouths. But then celebrating the fact that these (supposedly detestable) Southern 'losers' were kept as countrymen. If you're game, how do you reconcile that seeming contradiction (?)
01-22-2022, 08:44 PM
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Originally Posted by
Babe_Ruth
If you believe secession was solely about defending slavery.. why would you (et al) be celebrating (& gloating about) the fact that those slave-owners were forced to remain your countrymen ?
Anybody that considers themselves a confederate, should leave this country that “hates them”.
Now go ahead and explain why people today celebrate and glorify traitors that believed in slavery and didn’t want to be part of America.
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Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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