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Old 05-03-2022, 12:09 PM
 
Location: Mars City, TX / France
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Statements like the title are pure b.s. and drama button-pushing.

Some prefer hit-and-run pouring of gas on fires - and getting their jollies at the reaction - over using their brains. Instead of the target getting the attention, it actually reverses back to the messenger.
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Old 05-03-2022, 12:10 PM
 
Location: Houston/Austin, TX
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Furthermore, it's apparently constitutional. Which allows the parties to do it "guilt-free."
How would such a law even exist? applying geometric Calculus on a bill?
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Old 05-03-2022, 12:16 PM
 
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How would such a law even exist? applying geometric Calculus on a bill?
What law are you talking about?
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Old 05-03-2022, 12:26 PM
 
Location: Unplugged from the matrix
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California is ignorant Texans boogeyman
I bet most of the people that go around talking trash about California have never visited California.
It's not like California is across the world. Its a couple hundred dollar plane ticket for most people in this country. Many many people have visited and lived in CA, which is why the opinions are strong. On the flip side, far less come through Texas (not the same weather, scenery, theme parks, etc.), yet you see strong opinions about Texas all the time.

Big states like TX and CA will have people have big opinions about them.
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Old 05-03-2022, 01:23 PM
 
Location: Houston
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What law are you talking about?
Agreed, I'm not sure what PS is saying here, regarding "a law." My point was that the Constitution, per review of the Supreme Court, doesn't prohibit drawing district boundaries on the basis of perceived likely voting patterns.

That said, just because you can, doesn't mean you should.
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Old 05-03-2022, 01:24 PM
 
Location: Houston
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That all fits into the over priced category.
It does, but I was specifically responding to your stated reasons why businesses move (2nd paragraph), which doesn't include housing costs explicitly.
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Old 05-03-2022, 01:32 PM
 
Location: Houston
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We moved to Texas because we wanted to buy a house in a neighborhood we liked. That was literally the only reason. The state politics in Texas suck, but they arent any better in California. Politics is a small price to pay for being in a city we love, in a neighborhood we love, for a relatively low price. Besides politics now is basically a choice between a Trump personality cult and Bible Thumping social conservative garbage vs. over-regulation and cozying up to socialism. Both suck so horribly so I cant win almost anywhere on a political level.

Would we have stayed in California if we could have had the same? Of course. We both grew up there. It would have been much easier. That said, weve now been here since 2011. Its home now. So even if we could afford a house under the same circumstances in California, I doubt wed move at this point. I blame the NIMBY attitude that is so much more prevalent in California as opposed to Texas combined with the desirability of Coastal California (relative to anywhere in Texas) for the high costs more than the politics. The over-regulation just makes a bad situation a bit worse but it didnt create it. Hell, when I was growing up, California was the land of Reagan.
You're ignoring the fact that the NIMBY attitude got directly translated into politics, primarily at the local level, where most land use regulation occurs. It was originally "citizen empowerment", but (perhaps from the very git-go) was co-opted by NIMBYs. It's only very recently that politicians have been willing to stick their necks out a little to be pro-housing and anti-NIMBY, since the NIMBY crowd is heavily composed of older affluent people who vote prodigiously.

Yes coastal CA has natural desirability from the scenery and climate (never mind the quakes, droughts, and wildfires), so it would have always had some price premium attached. But the NIMBYs, and the policies that were enacted or abused by them, hugely increased both direct and indirect costs of providing housing - all while there was an economic environment that kept adding high-income jobs. And thus, a housing crisis now exists.
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Old 05-03-2022, 01:34 PM
 
Location: Houston/Austin, TX
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Agreed, I'm not sure what PS is saying here, regarding "a law." My point was that the Constitution, per review of the Supreme Court, doesn't prohibit drawing district boundaries on the basis of perceived likely voting patterns.

That said, just because you can, doesn't mean you should.
Then explain how you can possibly establish a law that prevents gerrymandering. It was an actual question.
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Old 05-03-2022, 01:38 PM
 
Location: Houston
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Then explain how you can possibly establish a law that prevents gerrymandering. It was an actual question.
Either Congress could pass a law to do the geometry-oriented calculations and expressly prohibit any factor other than roughly equal numbers of eligible voters to determine boundaries, or such a requirement could be made a Constitutional amendment (which would also require Congressional action). Or individual states could pass legislation requiring their boundary drawing procedures to be as such.

Of course, that would mean voiding consideration of race / ethnicity, which would be a very tough sell to many politicians and activists.
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Old 05-03-2022, 02:05 PM
 
Location: Houston, TX
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Then explain how you can possibly establish a law that prevents gerrymandering. It was an actual question.
Its not a law, but gerrymandering actually doesnt exist in California for congressional elections. Its because a non-partisan commission draws the maps as opposed to the ruling party.
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