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Old 09-19-2022, 10:31 AM
 
Location: Houston/Austin, TX
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Really,
Are you saying that all the people in Venezuela with non-Spanish last names like Franco De Vita, Gabriela Spanic, Marjorie De Sousa, etc. are not considered "latinos"?
I bet $1000 that if you told them that they are not latino, they'll respond: "Tu como que eres mar....?"
I assumed you were talking about immigrants rather than people who have mixed into society through generations. If that wasn’t the case, then I take it back.
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Old 09-19-2022, 10:50 AM
 
Location: San Diego CA>Tijuana, BC>San Antonio, TX
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I assumed you were talking about immigrants rather than people who have mixed into society through generations. If that wasn’t the case, then I take it back.
... and I assumed they were talking about Spanish and Italians still residing in Europe.
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Old 09-19-2022, 01:45 PM
 
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I assumed you were talking about immigrants rather than people who have mixed into society through generations. If that wasn’t the case, then I take it back.
Dude, you should know how s.t is over there
Same as here, you don't know who's been there 10 years or several generations.

Did you know that Franco de Vita grew up in Italy and his first language is italian?
And most people in Venezuela would consider him 100% venezuelan.
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Old 09-19-2022, 01:47 PM
 
Location: Houston/Austin, TX
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Dude, you should know how s.t is over there
Same as here, you don't know who's been there 10 years or several generations.

Did you know that Franco de Vita grew up in Italy and his first language is italian?
And most people in Venezuela would consider him 100% venezuelan.
I think this is out of convenience to claim a superstar.
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Old 09-19-2022, 02:04 PM
 
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One of four children born in Venezuela to Italian immigrants, De Vita's family returned to Rome, Italy when he was 3. The family moved back to Venezuela when De Vita was 13. Due to his upbringing in Rome, Italy, De Vita learned Italian as his first language and did not learn Spanish until he returned to Venezuela at age 13.
Kind of disingenuous to imply he wasn’t also raised there. He spent 10 years of his childhood in Italy and 7 in Venezuela.
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Old 09-19-2022, 07:11 PM
 
Location: Wonderland
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I get that part. It just seems like flawed/not complete data if people that are 15% of something are marking themselves down as a race. At this point with how mixed the country is, I think the forms should go into more detail. Then again I never got a census form in 2020 (for whatever reason) so I have no clue what it looks like lol. Right now with how the data is structured it doesn't paint the full picture IMO.
Hispanic is not considered a race. As for actual races, I guess it's who you most identify with or as.
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Old 09-19-2022, 07:17 PM
 
Location: Wonderland
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I disagree,
Growing up in Latin America, anybody that spoke Spanish was considered Latino (Hispanic)
I knew people from Italy, Spain, Hungary, Japan … and to us, they were Latino.

BTW, Brazilians also think of themselves as Latinos/Hispanic

Japanese are considered Latino where you're from? Where is that exactly?
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Old 09-19-2022, 07:23 PM
 
Location: Katy,Texas
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Japanese are considered Latino where you're from? Where is that exactly?
Brazil has the biggest Japanese population outside of Japan. Japanese Brazilians, are the population he’s talking about im pretty sure.
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Old 09-19-2022, 11:36 PM
 
Location: San Diego CA>Tijuana, BC>San Antonio, TX
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Yes, you'd be surprised by the number of Chinese and Korean Mexicans in Mexicali and Tijuana who are in fact Latinos, especially the 2nd gen. My neighbor in Tijuana 15 years ago had a surname of Chong. He looked Mexican, but at his family parties his aunts and uncles were very oriental looking but with a Mexican flair.
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Old 09-20-2022, 06:45 AM
 
Location: Wonderland
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So we're talking basically about mixed race people who have lived for at least a generation in a South American country, right? I guess they can call themselves whatever they want but they are definitely not Korean or Japanese or Chinese I wouldn't say - I mean, they are not from those countries so first of all, there's that. In Brazil, around a third of the Japanese (most of which are second generation or even third and fourth generation) have mixed race ancestry.

I believe that they make up less than one percent of the population of Brazil.
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