Houston vs. Dallas (Fort Worth, Galveston, Allen: condos, pricing, housing)

[mpope409]

Originally Posted by metroplex2003

Since we're now talking a/b quality of skyline and not quantity,

I think Dallas could make an entrance into beauty contests at night.
Our BOA tower is in Green.

The W is nicely lit.
JP MOrgan Chase looks great at night.
So does the Crescent Court, which houses the primary office of Citi Bank.

So thank you for saying quantity does not always mean quality (it's a great opening) b/c that can introduce other cities...St. Louis looks great with the Arch at night. San Francisco is breathtaking at night, especially from Coit Tower. And the SF skyline is pretty big...just lots of shorter buildings

True, Dallas' skyline has all of those funky colors and what not. It dazzles. But while Dallas has a nice skyline, it just isn't on a grand scale. If I may be perfectly honest, sometimes, bigger is better. But to each his own.

[Spade]

Originally Posted by mpope409

Yet another thing to add to the list of subjects we cannot agree on.

Downtown Brooklyn is a very dense area and is New York City's third largest CBD after Lower and Midtown Manhattan. People fond of the city and its history know that the Brooklyn skyline is important to the skyline of New York. And it is seperate. Quite frankly, I have no idea where you are coming from and I'm trying to understand how you do not see my point.

And the skyline of Uptown Houston does not rival DT. Uptown isn't even a CBD.

downtown brooklyn may be a very dense area. But it doesn't touch Manhattan. Here's what I'm saying. I know of many people. Friends or family that visited Houston for the first time and thought the Uptown area WAS indeed downtown. Many people mistake the uptown-galleria area for downtown when you and I both know it is not. You will mistake downtown Brooklyn or a cluster of dense scrapers throughout NY outside Manhattan as their downtown area. You just simply won't. I don't see how you do not see my point that the majority of New York's buildings are in one area and that being on Manhattan. Again, 5000+ buidings are in New York. Just about 4900 of them are in Manhattan no matter how important DTBK is or not.

And I wasn't saying Uptown rivals Downtown in that way. Well I kinda answered tha question earlier.

[metroplex2003]

Originally Posted by Lakewooder

WEALTHY CITIES

Expanding global economies and bull markets have fueled the increase in the number of wealthy households (HHs), with metro Atlanta expected to be near the top in five-year growth of high-net-worth individuals — persons with at least $1 million in net financial assets, not counting principal residence. The cities are ranked by projected growth in high-net-worth individuals (HNWI) over five years:


Total Growth | 1 mil. Growth | HHs | rate HHs | rate

Dallas-Fort Worth | 2,369,433 | 9.9% | 69,710 | 62.6%
Atlanta 2,131,295 9.9% 63,525 62.2%
Houston 1,972,706 9.1% 58,569 61.3%
Phoenix area 1,698,457 13.2% 53,180 60.6%
Orlando area 1,363,290 13.5% 42,535 60.5%
Denver 1,452,324 6.2% 47,939 59.4%
Washington 2,288,908 8.1% 99,711 59.4%
Sacramento, Calif. 1,379,817 9.7% 44,674 57.3%

Source: Claritas Inc.

This is why places like the Museum Tower, the Ritz Carlton Residences, One Victory Tower can charge a minimum of $1,000,000 and up for their smallest unit and up to 10 million for their penthouses.

[mpope409]

Originally Posted by metroplex2003

SO you have your oil companies. DFW has the largest Information Technology base in the state of Texas and is headquarters to the world's largest airline: American Airlines and the country's largest domestic carrier: Southwest Airlines.

But can Dallas claim that it is the capital of something? Houston can. As great and important as Dallas is, it's a second fiddle city. It's not the first leg in any form of economy, as far as I am aware.

[Guerilla]

Originally Posted by metroplex2003

SO you have your oil companies. DFW has the largest Information Technology base in the state of Texas and is headquarters to the world's largest airline: American Airlines and the country's largest domestic carrier: Southwest Airlines.

And we are Texas' Energy/Oil, Aerospace, and Medical headquarters. Those industries are more world industries than what DFW has. Houston's international presence proves it. We have FAR more consular offices, handle the nation's most foreign tonnage, and recieve more international traffic at our airport (by a good margin), despite having about 15 million less annual passengers. Also, Exxon Mobil may be HQ'ed here in DFW, but Houston has more employees, and more business deals are done down here. The CEO growing up in Irving is the only reason why Exxon is up there.

Also, I would never travel that truck stop in the sky, American. I would much rather fly the award winning carrier, Continental Airlines. SO many awards in customer satisfaction in the past year. It also recently won airline of the year.

[mpope409]

Originally Posted by Spade

downtown brooklyn may be a very dense area. But it doesn't touch Manhattan. Here's what I'm saying. I know of many people. Friends or family that visited Houston for the first time and thought the Uptown area WAS indeed downtown. Many people mistake the uptown-galleria area for downtown when you and I both know it is not. You will mistake downtown Brooklyn or a cluster of dense scrapers throughout NY outside Manhattan as their downtown area. You just simply won't. I don't see how you do not see my point that the majority of New York's buildings are in one area and that being on Manhattan. Again, 5000+ buidings are in New York. Just about 4900 of them are in Manhattan no matter how important DTBK is or not.

And I wasn't saying Uptown rivals Downtown in that way. Well I kinda answered tha question earlier.

That was not the point we were arguing. We were arguing whether or not New York was a city that had all of its skyline in one area. And if memory serves me correctly, the majority of Houston's high rises are located downtown.

[mpope409]

Originally Posted by Guerilla

And we are Texas' Energy/Oil, Aerospace, and Medical headquarters. Those industries are more world industries than what DFW has. Houston's international presence proves it. We have FAR more consular offices, handle the nation's most foreign tonnage, and recieve more international traffic at our airport (by a good margin), despite having about 15 million less annual passengers. Also, Exxon Mobil may be HQ'ed here in DFW, but Houston has more employees, and more business deals are done down here. The CEO growing up in Irving is the only reason why Exxon is up there.

Also, I would never travel that truck stop in the sky, American. I would much rather fly the award winning carrier, Continental Airlines. SO many awards in customer satisfaction in the past year. It also recently won airline of the year.

Exactly. Houston is far more diverse than Dallas for a reason. Houston is "larger" than Dallas for a reason. More cosmopolitan for a reason.

[Lakewooder]

Originally Posted by mpope409

But can Dallas claim that it is the capital of something? Houston can. As great and important as Dallas is, it's a second fiddle city. It's not the first leg in any form of economy, as far as I am aware.

If so why does Dallas have a Federal Reserve Bank which rules Houston (which has no such bank) and the entire region.

[stoneclaw]

Originally Posted by metroplex2003

DFW has 6.1 million people, Houston has 5.5 million.

Houston actually has 5.6 million people now. Don't be tryin' to stretch the gap. I know both of these #s are approximates, Houston has 5.6 million every bit as much as DFW has 6.1 million.

[stoneclaw]

Originally Posted by metroplex2003

This is why places like the Museum Tower, the Ritz Carlton Residences, One Victory Tower can charge a minimum of $1,000,000 and up for their smallest unit and up to 10 million for their penthouses.

First of all, let's stop talking about the Museum Tower like its already built. It's still in the proposed stage. It may or may not happen. Houston's Discovery Tower is in the proposal stage just like Dallas's museum tower. Plus, From what i've heard, Dallas already has an overbuilt market and might not be able to support the amount of money the Museum Tower might be charging..

That's another advantage that Houston. Houston's office vacancy rate is looking healthier everyday which will makes it the more likely candidate to get another tower. Dallas just keeps building which is actually causing the percentage rate of Office Vacancy rates to increase.