Why do some Texans hate California? (Houston, Dallas: university, tornadoes, to live)

[BigDGeek]

I have gone on record in other threads complaining about the number of complain-y Californians moving to DFW, so I will say this about Southern California.

I have visited Southern California several times and have always had a good time. However, I was a tourist. I imagine it would be quite different living there. I was consistently shocked at how much things cost there and how incredibly dense the conditions there are despite So Cal being the king of urban sprawl. It's still denser than DFW.

Southern California is beautiful, or I'm sure once was before it was covered up by buildings. The topography is amazing. The beaches are terrific. The mountains are great. The weather is incredible.

However...

I could never live in Southern California for any amount of money. I can take it in small doses, but I couldn't cope with it every single day. The politics there are just...poison. The way the state is run makes me sick and the state is in constant fiscal crisis. Combine that with an extremely high cost of living, heavy pollution, dense living conditions, and an economy that isn't better than ours is and you have a pretty hard sell on your hands, at least as far as I'm concerned. I wouldn't be escaping Dallas's cruddy public schools or huge illegal immigrant problem by moving to California, either. Personally I can't see any pluses to living there except for great weather most of the year and cheaper produce. I'm not a hiker, a skier, or a beachgoer so none of that would seal the deal for me. If I lived in So Cal I would probably be one of those people who never went to the beach.

So...I'll visit California (all of it someday), but I would not live there for the reasons listed above. No offense to Californians, but y'all need to fix your state's politics. Fast. For your own good. You have a beautiful state that could be better than it is. And we don't want ours to end up like yours, which is my main objection to Californians moving here and then trying to force the culture to fit them rather than the other way around.

* I spoke about Southern California because I have never visited the northern part of the state, so I cannot speak about it at all. I have only visited the Los Angeles and San Diego areas.

[Cathy4017]

So...I'll visit California (all of it someday), but I would not live there for the reasons listed above. No offense to Californians, but y'all need to fix your state's politics. Fast. For your own good. You have a beautiful state that could be better than it is. And we don't want ours to end up like yours, which is my main objection to Californians moving here and then trying to force the culture to fit them rather than the other way around.

Rep points for you, BigDGeek.

That goes for every other state, too. The downside is that Texas is at 23 million plus...and counting. I know that there are those who want Texas to keep on growing in population, but I'm not one of them.

Yes, California is a beautiful state, and I have been to both southern and northern CA. It's too bad much of it (especially Los Angeles) has been lost to illegal immigration. Texas is probably on its way to doing the same over the next several years.

[TexasReb]

Originally Posted by Cathy4017

[b] The downside is that Texas is at 23 million plus...and counting. I know that there are those who want Texas to keep on growing in population, but I'm not one of them.

I couldn't agree more, Cathy sis! Bigger (in the population sense) is not always better. In fact, it is often much worse. And while it might be "good business" and "economic growth" and that vaunted "diversity"...there is a downside too. It often means losing its essential identity and historical and cultural character, and diluting all the basic ingredients that made it what it was to begin with...

BigDGeek wrote: So...I'll visit California (all of it someday), but I would not live there for the reasons listed above. No offense to Californians, but y'all need to fix your state's politics. Fast. For your own good. You have a beautiful state that could be better than it is. And we don't want ours to end up like yours, which is my main objection to Californians moving here and then trying to force the culture to fit them rather than the other way around.

You got a rep point coming, BDG! Very well put!

EDIT: Never mind, I must have given you one earlier cos I can't again. So here is a +1

[Two4damoney]

Originally Posted by BigDGeek

I have gone on record in other threads complaining about the number of complain-y Californians moving to DFW, so I will say this about Southern California.

I have visited Southern California several times and have always had a good time. However, I was a tourist. I imagine it would be quite different living there. I was consistently shocked at how much things cost there and how incredibly dense the conditions there are despite So Cal being the king of urban sprawl. It's still denser than DFW.

Southern California is beautiful, or I'm sure once was before it was covered up by buildings. The topography is amazing. The beaches are terrific. The mountains are great. The weather is incredible.

However...

I could never live in Southern California for any amount of money. I can take it in small doses, but I couldn't cope with it every single day. The politics there are just...poison. The way the state is run makes me sick and the state is in constant fiscal crisis. Combine that with an extremely high cost of living, heavy pollution, dense living conditions, and an economy that isn't better than ours is and you have a pretty hard sell on your hands, at least as far as I'm concerned. I wouldn't be escaping Dallas's cruddy public schools or huge illegal immigrant problem by moving to California, either. Personally I can't see any pluses to living there except for great weather most of the year and cheaper produce. I'm not a hiker, a skier, or a beachgoer so none of that would seal the deal for me. If I lived in So Cal I would probably be one of those people who never went to the beach.

So...I'll visit California (all of it someday), but I would not live there for the reasons listed above. No offense to Californians, but y'all need to fix your state's politics. Fast. For your own good. You have a beautiful state that could be better than it is. And we don't want ours to end up like yours, which is my main objection to Californians moving here and then trying to force the culture to fit them rather than the other way around.

* I spoke about Southern California because I have never visited the northern part of the state, so I cannot speak about it at all. I have only visited the Los Angeles and San Diego areas.

Great post. You hit the nail on the head. I know because I'm originally from southern Calif. but me and certain family members moved to west Texas. We love it here and we embrace the Texas way and lifestyle. And I'll be the first to say that if any Californians come out here to Texas and complain they can just pack their bags and get out of Dodge. They wont be missed.

[Stephen1110]

On the contrary,

If Texans were to come to California and complain, they can just pack their bags and step. They will not be missed.

Easy for us to say too.

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[BigDGeek]

Originally Posted by Stephen1110

On the contrary,

If Texans were to come to California and complain, they can just pack their bags and step. They will not be missed.

Easy for us to say too.

And you would be absolutely correct in saying so. It's a two-way street.

I say if you're not happy with where you're living...move! But people need to be sure that it's the location that is the problem. Geographical cures for other problems are only temporary.

[Two4damoney]

Originally Posted by Stephen1110

On the contrary,

If Texans were to come to California and complain, they can just pack their bags and step. They will not be missed.

Easy for us to say too.

Of course. It definitely goes both ways.

[BacktoBlue]

I love CA. ( Actually, I only love Southern California lol)

California grows 80% of America's fresh fruits and vegetables. It's home to 1 in 10 Americans. It sends more money to Washington DC, than it gets back. This is unlike most red states, that are hopelessly dependent on hard-working Californians tax dollars for their welfare money, and roads

Yep, also has the world's richest industrial zone in Silicon Valley. There are more Ph'ds living in a 30 mile radius of Silicon Valley, than the entire south and midwest combined

Certainly, CA has it's share of problems. It's current budget problems are less a result from overspending in the state, and more a result of having to give billions to other less educated, and poorer states, so they don't fall into third world living conditions. It's pretty simple, anyone that lives in CA, and pays taxes for other broke states knows how it works
We understand, like a parent watching a failing child, that these other states can't help themselves, and so we do what's necessary - give you an allowance!

The people are generally friendlier, more relaxed and better off than those in other states. The weather certainly is better, but they are more optimistic, and place a high value on education and science, instead of witchcraft and cults, like we have see in other less fortunate parts of America

[DANNYY]

I think this thread is just wrong. It was started from a poster who has mental issues (if you read his previous posts). He was banned, and he was a troll.

Everyone here just dug so deep into it that they forgot we're all people, whether we come from Texas or California we're all people and we're all Americans (At least I hope we can proudly say that about ourselves). This thread is the epitome of what happens when people let their hatred get in the way of things.

I agree with SoCalBrad, California has given a lot to the country, so has Texas. Both are donor states, they give more tax dollars to the federal government than they receive back. (The federal government is full of a bunch of leeches and frauds, you'll never see your money again) And both states get the short stick, when it comes to being respected for what they do for the country, and how much wealth they generate, especially since both have a massive GDP. They are majority of the wealth and prosperity of this country and the country wouldn't be able to move ahead with either gone. (people fail to realize that)

Socially I personally do believe Texas deserves some of the bashing it gets, the state has a good educated population, and it is the center of tech, from ACS, Austin is pretty educated. Houston is just a little bit more than Los Angeles, and Dallas is comparable. North California is ahead of them all though, but in general a lot of the country's innovation and great ideas have come out of both states, especially California.

Socially Texas deserves some of the bashing, its the voters fault they put that hick and retarded Perry in charge, it looks bad when the governor is known to speak for a state and he talks about secession it is embarrassing for those of us who live here and don't feel the way he does. I believe we have the power to vote him out, then do it. And more will respect logical political leaders from Texas.

California gets a bad rap for its economy, in many ways it also deserves it. But hey, these things happen, who are we (As Americans) to always bash California on their economy, people make mistakes, and the state made one with housing and credit. Texas made one with that retarded man we call a governor. Its on us, the people of these states to help and keep those retards out of office, you know the ones that make us look like anti-Americans (Texas) or the ones that lead us to economic crisis (California). We need to be smarter than that and keep those people from entering office, and we need to stop blaming each other and bashing each other, it gets you no where when you do that (to the OP and either state bashers present).

In general, can we all just agree to respect each other here on this board, it will make our time and getting by here much easier if we do. Everyone has their preferences, personally I like Southern California best, then the Texas Triangle area of Texas, then Northern California last. But that's just my preference. But we don't have to always sit here and bash each other about what we like and what we don't. Lets try to be mature adults about this, SoCalBrad shouldn't be in here to defend his state from bashing because there shouldn't be any bashing to begin with, for either state.

Just some of my thoughts, haha.