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Old 09-13-2009, 11:00 AM
 
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Amarillo
We have Amarillo Collage and WTAMU
We have the Gorillas hocky team, the Dillas Baseball, and the Dusters Indoor football teams......
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Originally Posted by gabetx View Post
I disagree. None of that really indicates that Amarillo is a major city.
gotta agree here...Im sure those are great forms of local recreation and entertainment, but I dont think those things do much to advance the argument for Amarillo being a maor city, at all.

 
Old 09-13-2009, 03:36 PM
 
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National wise? Houston and Dallas. Regional wise? Add in San Antonio and Austin.

National wise Dallas, Houston, San Antonio and Austin are major cities. A city with over 2 million people, has major sports and sporting events, S.A. is definitely major, maybe not as big Dallas/Ft Worth and Houston/ Gavelston.
 
Old 09-13-2009, 03:59 PM
 
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The metro areas are not that much different and Austin is growing faster. You don't really look at city limits when seeing which is major. If we did that, then SA would be more important than Dallas, which it isn't.

San Antonio's urbanized area is much larger than Austin's. They are not about the same size. Bexar county alone has about the same population as Austin's 5 county metro. Bexar county has been outpacing Travis, as well as S.A. city limits has outpaced Austin's city limits. The fastest growing counties in the Austin metro, Travis was the slower growing. Despite Austin's beautiful new skyline, it doesn't have the corporate major city look that San Antonio has outside it's the downtown area.
 
Old 09-14-2009, 10:33 AM
 
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San Antonio's urbanized area is much larger than Austin's. They are not about the same size. Bexar county alone has about the same population as Austin's 5 county metro. Bexar county has been outpacing Travis, as well as S.A. city limits has outpaced Austin's city limits. The fastest growing counties in the Austin metro, Travis was the slower growing. Despite Austin's beautiful new skyline, it doesn't have the corporate major city look that San Antonio has outside it's the downtown area.

Huh? Both cities are almost identical in size although Austin is growing faster and has a higher average income and corporate presence..... but somehow San Antonio has the more "major corporate city look outside it's downtown area"?
 
Old 09-14-2009, 12:31 PM
 
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San Antonio and Austin are not the same size.


Just comparing city limits, San Antonio is considerably larger.

Austin 760k vs S.A. at nearly 1.4 million. Both cities cover comparable sq miles. Austin right about 300 sq miles and San Antonio, about 400 sq miles, however, nearly 96 square miles of undeveloped farmland land in the far southside was recently annexed, for a new urbanisim project, which lowered S.A.'s overall density.. In 2000 San Antonio covered 300 sq miles at 1.2 million. San Antonio has between 500-600k more people in the core.

San Antonio more corp. feel? San Antonio is much more developed outside downtown, it has several skylines/ business sectors, I-10 corridor, 281, Loop 410, Broadway Corridor, Midtown, Med ctr, and now loop 1604 has high rise office buildings. Austin doesn't have much outside downtown, so yes, it pails in comparison.

Metro's

Austin 1.65 million
Travis county -Austin core 998,000
Since 1990 Travis grew by 400,000


S.A. 2.032 million
Bexar 1,622,884 San Antonio core.
Since 1990 Bexar grew by nearly 500,000.

Last edited by SweethomeSanAntonio; 09-14-2009 at 12:50 PM..
 
Old 09-14-2009, 03:44 PM
 
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San Antonio and Austin are not the same size.
True

Just comparing city limits, San Antonio is considerably larger.
Comparing city size like this makes sense to you? It's a hell of a lot bigger than Atlanta too with only 537,958 inhabitants but is San Antonio really larger than Atlanta? What about Miami or Orlando? Fail.

Austin 760k vs S.A. at nearly 1.4 million. Both cities cover comparable sq miles. Austin right about 300 sq miles and San Antonio, about 400 sq miles, however, nearly 96 square miles of undeveloped farmland land in the far southside was recently annexed, for a new urbanisim sprawl project, which lowered S.A.'s overall density.. In 2000 San Antonio covered 300 sq miles at 1.2 million. San Antonio has between 500-600k more people in the core.
I would call nearly 100 square miles of undeveloped land on the far southside ready for sprawl, not new urbanism.


San Antonio more corp. feel? San Antonio is much more developed outside downtown, it has several skylines/ business sectors, I-10 corridor, 281, Loop 410, Broadway Corridor, Midtown, Med ctr, and now loop 1604 has high rise office buildings. Austin doesn't have much outside downtown, so yes, it pails in comparison.
Office Parks all over town = good for San Antonio?
Concentrating development downtown = bad for Austin?

Metro's

Austin 1.65 million
Travis county -Austin core 998,000
Since 1990 Travis grew by 400,000


S.A. 2.032 million
Bexar 1,622,884 San Antonio core.
Since 1990 Bexar grew by nearly 500,000.
San Antonio and Austin are the 28th and 36th largest metros in America.
But just comparing city limits, San Antonio is considerably larger than all but 6 cities, let alone tiny little Austin.
Table of United States Metropolitan Statistical Areas - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Metros in 1990
Austin 846,227
San Antonio 1,324,749

Metros in 2000
Austin 1,249,763
San Antonio 1,592,383

Metros in 2008
Austin 1,652,602
San Antonio 2,031,445

% change 2000-2008
Austin Metro +32.2%
San Antonio Metro +26.4%

CensusScope.org

Austin Metro

San Antonio Metro

The steeper lines on the Austin chart show that it is growing faster than San Antonio as previously stated.

When someone says Austin and San Antonio metros are not that much different in size I'm pretty sure they understand how useless it is to try to compare city size by how many people live in the city limits.
 
Old 09-14-2009, 04:25 PM
 
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Sorry Austin you got a long way to go before you are in SA league. I own property in both so I know the ins and outs of both. Austin is a major city.
 
Old 09-14-2009, 05:49 PM
 
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I disagree. None of that really indicates that Amarillo is a major city.
So..... A MSA population of 300k and the fact that Amarillo is in *the middle of nowhereland, TX* is not a major achivement?
I say we are a major city because we are *the* city on the texas panhandle (lubbock does not count, because they're much farther south, not on the actual panhandle)
I`de say we are doing good for being in Nowhereland, Texas.
 
Old 09-14-2009, 05:49 PM
 
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San Antonio's urbanized area is much larger, the look and feel of the city is more indicitive of a major city. Those charts you listed are for metro, which include counties that are a part of the metro, but, characterstics that do not contribute anything urban like. So looking a lil closer, the actual urban portion of the metro, San Antonio is considerably larger, and faster growing. Bexar (S.A. & core suburbs)county grew faster, nearly 100k more than Travis(Austin & core suburbs) in the same period of time.

Metro Austin did grow faster, but not the actual Austin urbanized area, moreso places like Bastrop, Georgetown, and smaller towns out in the metro somewhere.

To sum things up, San Antonio has more than 500,000 more people in the urbanized portion of the metro, and not to mention a equally growing downtown, with new downtown projects.

Austin about 1.3 million urbanized. Includes sections of Williamson, Hays counties.



S.A. about 1.8 million urbanized. Includes sections of Comal and Guadalupe and Kendal.








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Originally Posted by Scitats View Post
San Antonio and Austin are the 28th and 36th largest metros in America.
But just comparing city limits, San Antonio is considerably larger than all but 6 cities, let alone tiny little Austin.
Table of United States Metropolitan Statistical Areas - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Metros in 1990
Austin 846,227
San Antonio 1,324,749

Metros in 2000
Austin 1,249,763
San Antonio 1,592,383

Metros in 2008
Austin 1,652,602
San Antonio 2,031,445

% change 2000-2008
Austin Metro +32.2%
San Antonio Metro +26.4%

CensusScope.org

Austin Metro

San Antonio Metro

The steeper lines on the Austin chart show that it is growing faster than San Antonio as previously stated.

When someone says Austin and San Antonio metros are not that much different in size I'm pretty sure they understand how useless it is to try to compare city size by how many people live in the city limits.
 
Old 09-14-2009, 06:08 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Scitats View Post
San Antonio and Austin are the 28th and 36th largest metros in America.
But just comparing city limits, San Antonio is considerably larger than all but 6 cities, let alone tiny little Austin.
Table of United States Metropolitan Statistical Areas - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Metros in 1990
Austin 846,227
San Antonio 1,324,749

Metros in 2000
Austin 1,249,763
San Antonio 1,592,383

Metros in 2008
Austin 1,652,602
San Antonio 2,031,445

% change 2000-2008
Austin Metro +32.2%
San Antonio Metro +26.4%

CensusScope.org

Austin Metro

San Antonio Metro

The steeper lines on the Austin chart show that it is growing faster than San Antonio as previously stated.

When someone says Austin and San Antonio metros are not that much different in size I'm pretty sure they understand how useless it is to try to compare city size by how many people live in the city limits.


It is new urbanisim, City South is the name of the project! Read my post again, I'm going by urbanized area, and comparing city limits in this case, becasue they cover comparable sq miles, a no brainer.
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