Texas Medical Center in HOU poised to overtake Downtown Dallas in 5-6 years (Houston: place to live, store)

[dallasboi]

Originally Posted by stoneclaw

Order is good, but i like the randomness of Houston. It makes it feel like there's something going on in different parts of the city and everything is not just confined to one tiny area. Like it was mentioned earlier, Houston's no zoning has created some unique clusters around the city while still managing to acheive a dense cluster in and around downtown just like those buildings innercity Dallas. It's like a Dallas/Fort Worth wrapped up in to one, only you don't have to travel outside into different jurisdictions and break the continuity of the metro's fabric to get the feel of it.

Houston's city/metro has definitely gotten denser. Many Dallasites on here try to discredit it to sprawl, but H's downtown is larger, just as dense, and has more options. Once you leave downtown/Uptown Dallas, you've just about seen the best of Dallas. Leaving downtown Houston is a different story. Take a drive down Westheimer between Bagby Street and 610, it really feels like an urban oasis now with all the new developments. Kirby drive has transformed and possibly becoming the new Broadway. And if that's not enough for you, travel south down Main Street/Fannin Street, you enter the exciting urban clusters of the Museum District, then the Medical Center, then Reliant Astrodome. Midtown is red hot right now and swiveling over to the east, you have the new Dynamo and up and coming Eado (which is kind of Dallas's Bryan Place equivalent), and the area north of downtown is about to take off in a minute.

So Dallasites, go ahead and say "Oh i'll take order". But sorry, everyone knows too much order is boring! Even New York and Los Angeles don't have all that order as you put it. Houston's core swallows Dallas's, chews it, and spits it out.

Too much order???...ok I get it...this is where you twist a positive into a negative. I have never heard anybody leave dallas
saying " ugghhh...Dallas was just too orderly". There may be some people that dislike how Dallas develops itself but i promise you way more people are pleasantly surprised when they visit.

[jbarn]

Originally Posted by HtownLove

Of course its a neat place but you all act like only Dallas core is getting urban, when Houstons actually has a head start.
Yes between one and two miles iof uptown, has gotten much denser over the past years, but its still not as dense as the same distance around midtown. Further, the 5 mile radius around midtown, has quite a few more people than the same radius around uptown. In fact between that and ten miles there was actually population loss. So yes uptown is improving at a faster rate than midtown, but still not as big, and the inner loop as a whole is growing healthly while the coresponding area in Dallas is losing population.

Why cant dallas posters give recognition to the inner loop

Because although you guys brag about how big it is compared to Dallas, and how "dense" it is, you fail to recognize that size does not matter in this case. It is how those areas interact and are connected. Your areas are not contiguous and are not walkable. You may have one slightly walkable area over here, but the other one is miles away and the only way to get there is by car. There is no continuity. In Dallas, our smaller size that you guys so often like to point out is actually working to our advantage. Most of our inner-city areas are somewhat connected, and many are contiguous, and because of that, we are creating this neat urban experience, where you can actually walk from one area to the other, or take rail, or a trolley. Until Houston is able to connect all the dots, you will never have a true, urban experience. And unless somehow, you are able to mow down tons of suburban-like neighborhoods, those dots will never be connected, despite what you guys claim. I have been there hundreds of time so I know of what I speak.

[TexasTallest]

i love how Dallas posters completely ignore busses.. Houston has one of the best bus/HOV systems in the country, but most Dallasites give off that im too good for busses vibe and only focus on rail. believe me, a city of 6 million people isnt only relying on one (though soon to be 3) light rail line for mass transit.

[casimpso]

Originally Posted by jbarn

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Because although you guys brag about how big it is compared to Dallas, and how "dense" it is, you fail to recognize that size does not matter in this case. It is how those areas interact and are connected. Your areas are not contiguous and are not walkable. You may have one slightly walkable area over here, but the other one is miles away and the only way to get there is by car. There is no continuity. In Dallas, our smaller size that you guys so often like to point out is actually working to our advantage. Most of our inner-city areas are somewhat connected, and many are contiguous, and because of that, we are creating this neat urban experience, where you can actually walk from one area to the other, or take rail, or a trolley. Until Houston is able to connect all the dots, you will never have a true, urban experience. And unless somehow, you are able to mow down tons of suburban-like neighborhoods, those dots will never be connected, despite what you guys claim. I have been there hundreds of time so I know of what I speak.

That is well-written--factual, concise and true.

My 2 cents: And our walkable areas have sidewalks!

[dollaztx]

Originally Posted by TexasTallest

i love how Dallas posters completely ignore busses.. Houston has one of the best bus/HOV systems in the country, but most Dallasites give off that im too good for busses vibe and only focus on rail. believe me, a city of 6 million people isnt only relying on one (though soon to be 3) light rail line for mass transit.

Because Dallas doesn't have busses? It's the same mode of transportation as cars. Roads.

[dallasboi]

Originally Posted by TexasTallest

i love how Dallas posters completely ignore busses.. Houston has one of the best bus/HOV systems in the country, but most Dallasites give off that im too good for busses vibe and only focus on rail. believe me, a city of 6 million people isnt only relying on one (though soon to be 3) light rail line for mass transit.

Because you and everyone else knows that busses does not equate to a prefered way of travel.Yes houston has lots of them...so does most big cities. Busses are somewhat unreliable...and does not represent progression in transit options for an evolving city like Houston. Houston had busses back in the 30's. Nothing new or enhancing about a bus.Just like the evolution of the wheel. They started out being made of rock and wood. To day they are more advanced with rubber fittings but at the end of the day its still just a wheel.

[Trae713]

Originally Posted by dallasboi

Because you and everyone else knows that busses does not equate to a prefered way of travel.Yes houston has lots of them...so does most big cities. Busses are somewhat unreliable...and does not represent progression in transit options for an evolving city like Houston. Houston had busses back in the 30's. Nothing new or enhancing about a bus.Just like the evolution of the wheel. They started out being made of rock and wood. To day they are more advanced with rubber fittings but at the end of the day its still just a wheel.

So what's so special about rail then?

[TexasTallest]

Originally Posted by Trae713

So what's so special about rail then?

right? thats all i was thinking the whole time he went on about the wheel. Houston had rail in the early 1900s. Rail is older than the vehicle. nothing great or new about it..

all jokes aside, of course light rail would be the preferred mode of travel but as you pointed out our city is about twice as large and that makes connecting it by light rail insanely expensive. not to mention the additional neighborhoods and districts the lines would need to get jurisdiction from to run through. were working on it, but you guys definitely had the head start on light rail. Houston can thank Tom Delay for that..

[dallasboi]

Originally Posted by Trae713

So what's so special about rail then?

It gives alternative options of transport to those who wouldnt be caught dead riding or waiting on a bus.therefore managing to STILL get them out of their cars.

[dallasboi]

Originally Posted by TexasTallest

ugh, theres that Dallas pretentiousness that i hate so much.. who are you trying to impress? your city is filled with so many fake people it makes me sick.

Its people in Houston that wouldn't be caught dead riding or waiting on a bus(HENCE EVERYBODY DRIVES!!!)...I ride buses and rail in Dallas....Quit Generalizing Dallas based on a reality that every city has.


You are letting your feelings towards Dallas get the best of you......now breathe.