07-22-2006, 11:37 AM
Location: East Texas, with the Clan of the Cave Bear
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That is on the Jasper / James Byrd issue. I think I voiced the same thing in that thread but I felt like the lone voice in the wilderness crying out against the roar of a politically correct media interested in manufacturing news versus reporting the truth. BTW I llive just SW of Woodville, so we are close!
On snakes and dogs ...... when I was a youngster my best dog friend and trusted hunting companion (a great treeing squirrel dog) got in a run-in with a six foot eastern diamondback. Old Jack took 2 hits to the head before I dispatched the demonic serpent with my trusty 16 guage. Within 30 minutes my buddy was wobbling , slobbering, and looking for a cool place to lay down.
I begged my grandfather to take him to the veternarian. In those days a dog was "just a dog", not like in today's society where a dog is elevated to almost human status. I also imagine my grandfather had practical experience with dogs and snakebite, but since this was a large snake (with a large "dose" of venom) and Jack was relatively small (25lbs) my grandfather relented and we loaded Jack into the old Ford pickup and headed to the vet.
Now, once there I can't remember the treatment Jack recieved but I remember this sage advice from the old vet........"He's(Jack) gonna be sick for a while, but if he didn't die within 45 minutes he won't die from the bite". Since that time I remember our dogs getting snake bit innumerable times ..... usually by copperheads as they were thick where we lived......but I never saw a dog die. They'd swell up in the neck and lay around a couple of days, drool alot, but eventually all would return to normal and we never took another dog to the vet for snakebite again. If I remember right old Jack layed around about 3 days under the house but finally got over it. Man, did he hate snakes after that.....and got bit several more times without lasting consequences.
BTW....since snakes are cold blooded they are pretty rare below 60 degrees and sluggish if you do see them. Yes Stargazer....they are dormant in winter but I do see them on warm sunny days in the spring
and they are usually active in early fall as it is generally pretty temperate
. Be careful at the deerlease......look before you step!
07-22-2006, 12:24 PM
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In going back to an old thread, I need to comment on the James Byrd event. I live in Jasper. The incidendent was a drug deal gone bad between old prison buddies. It was not a hate crime,as the media loved to tell, it was a drug crime.
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That is on the Jasper / James Byrd issue. I think I voiced the same thing in that thread but I felt like the lone voice in the wilderness crying out against the roar of a politically correct media interested in manufacturing news versus reporting the truth.
The problem with this claim is that it has no factual basis.Two people made this suggestion that it was a bad drug deal,one,the main defendant,who claimed a co defendant killed Byrd in a bad drug deal,and second, a leader of the KKK trying to deflect attention away from such a heinous crime.Neither one someone you should trust.The investigators in the crime looked into these claims and decided they were false,and prosecuted the crime as a racially motivated act.
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07-22-2006, 03:48 PM
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COUGH......COUGH..........How's the weather out there Lifer? Seen any snakes lately? I haven't seen many snakes here in EAST TEXAS where I LIVE and intimately know things that are not known nationally......or.....even regionally.....but are still a fact of life. It's amazing what a politically motivated sheriff and / or DA will do...even if it ain't the right thing.....ain't it?Well, hate to cut it short, but gotta run!!!!! Take care!
Bob
07-22-2006, 04:28 PM
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I haven't seen many snakes here in EAST TEXAS where I LIVE and intimately know things that are not known nationally......or.....even regionally.....but are still a fact of life.
yeah,I'm sure the DA called you up and kept you abreast of all the details there bob.But facts are facts.The guy that first made that accusation was the main defendant.You're going to believe someone like him trying to worm his way out of a death sentence?Anecdotal stories like these mean nothing,especially when told for the specific reason of diverting attention away from the racial problems.The guys were racist,they bragged about their feat,and they were unrepentant about killing a black guy.That is called racism,bob.Perhaps you are cough,cough, too close to the area to notice it like others that live where it isn't as prevalent can.
07-22-2006, 07:00 PM
Location: East Texas, with the Clan of the Cave Bear
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Did I say the DA called me......NO! That was uncalled for to make a statement like that. Do I believe this defendant......no! .........he's the scum of the Earth.....period! But I do believe NUMEROUS others who were privy to the situation. Community knowlege of these men was/is just that. Common knowlege!!!!! It is known what happened by the people that live here(which you don't).....it doesn't excuse it and I'm not saying it does....but the murder itself was the result of not paying a drug debt......don't really matter in my opinion why though. Are the court "facts" the truth as it happened.....could be.....could not be. All it (the trial and its story) showed is the DA had the drop on the scumbags.
You have stated and hinted and charged that East Texas is a racist area and I'm calling you on it .......state a fact of such (beside this one isolated incident).....since you want to base everything on "known facts". Fact is you are a trouble maker .....based on your continual derrogatory statements about East Texas.
You impune my reputation on even an annonymous internet board and I take personal offense to it.......just like I take personnal offense to your dogging of East Texas. I let your charges go in the Cedar Creek thread without rebuttal, but you just can't let it go....can you? Keep it up.....it's a mirror to your character!
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07-22-2006, 08:14 PM
Location: Apple Valley, Ca
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Oh you two please stop. Both of you are great people and what ever happened to someone else doesn't matter here. In every State there is racist people and people who are not. Texas is no different.
We out of Staters need your advice. Both of you together give us so much.
07-22-2006, 08:50 PM
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Go back to,uh,let's see,post 55 of this thread and tell me,cough,cough,who started with the snide remarks.If you are going to go down that road then be a big boy and don't complain when it comes back at you.Cough,cough.
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just like I take personnal offense to your dogging of East Texas. I let your charges go in the Cedar Creek thread without rebuttal, but you just can't let it go....can you?
Uh,bob,if you go back and read this thread you find that YOU brought this subject back up,not me.Or you and the other poster.I am just pointing out that your claims are not accurate according to the people who were involved in the investigation and prosecution,as well as the NAACP.
http://www.texasnaacp.org/jasper.htm (broken link)
If you take personal offense at the truth,well,that is not my problem.Go research Vidor,Tx for more on this racial issue.
http://www.kordelski.org/vidor2.html (broken link)
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You have stated and hinted and charged that East Texas is a racist area and I'm calling you on it .......state a fact of such (beside this one isolated incident).....since you want to base everything on "known facts"
OK,you asked me to.You can read some about it here.
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/special/jasper/reaction/226896.html (broken link)
And here
http://www.blackpressusa.com/news/Article.asp?SID=3&Title=National+News&NewsID=4552 (broken link)
And here.This one you cannot copy and paste because it is a PDF file.You have to type it into the address box yourself.
www.nieman.harvard.edu/reports/03-3NRfall/44-45V57N3.pdf (broken link)
Or are these people just dogging east Texas?
Had enough yet,bob?
And again,go research Vidor and the fact that the last black guy that tried to live there was found dead.How many isolated incidents make a pattern?Why does a town like Vidor,with a population of 11,000 in the heart of a region that generally runs around 30% or more black not have ANY black people living in it,huh bob?Why are there other towns in this region of numerous blacks that have little or no black people living in it?Do you even bother to ask yourself this question bob,or do you find a way to ignore this fact of east Texas life?
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I'm sorry about this,but when people refuse to acknowledge what is going on it just allows the problem to persist.When someone tries to sell this crime as nothing more than a bad drug deal,it in effect is trying to deny that there is a more major problem in east Texas that needs to be dealt with.Perhaps bob needs to spend more time learning the facts and then finding ways to help try and bring this to an end instead of allowing himself to live with the comfortable illusion that nothing is wrong there.
07-23-2006, 07:11 AM
Location: South Carolina
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*peeking my head in* Uh Iwas just going to say I thnk I'll have to study up on snakes,because my knowledge doesn't go beyond a gardner snake...
Seen a few as a kid in NW Pa and I was afraid of them.
07-23-2006, 10:07 PM
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O.K. I'm done with the rattlesnake question. (smile) Thanks to all of you smart people teachin me the ropes, I don't even think I'm that nuts over it anymore!!!
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People in Group quarters - Institutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - Correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Federal prisons and detention centers (%)
People in Group quarters - Halfway houses (%)
People in Group quarters - Local jails and other confinement facilities (including police lockups) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military disciplinary barracks (%)
People in Group quarters - State prisons (%)
People in Group quarters - Other types of correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Nursing homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards, hospices, and schools for the handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards and hospices for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospices or homes for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Military hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Other hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals or wards for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Mental (Psychiatric) hospitals or wards (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)