12-29-2009, 04:51 PM
Location: Underneath the Pecan Tree
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Metro Matt
Ok...thats fine, but Metro Houston isn't that far behind D/FW in population. Its the 5th largest Metro in the US after D/FW. Houston surpassed Philly for that title over a year ago. If the growth rate continues in Houston as it has been the past decade, it could eventually surpass Chicago in the next 10 years.
I have to ask this; where would the 5 million other people be than if Fort Worth didn't exist??? This makes no sense to say Dallas without Fort Worth would be San Antonio. Is there facts to prove this or something???
12-29-2009, 05:36 PM
Location: Upper East Side of Texas
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I have to ask this; where would the 5 million other people be than if Fort Worth didn't exist??? This makes no sense to say Dallas without Fort Worth would be San Antonio. Is there facts to prove this or something???
I was referring to Dallas County alone that IS in fact 2 million in population. SA's Metro population is indeed at 2 million too.
Denton is at the top of the North Texas triangle in Denton County (over 600,000) which makes up North Texas & could survive on its own without Dallas if it really had to because of the Barnett Shale natural gas discovery & higher education that exists there.
Tarrant County is the 3rd main piece of the triagle which makes up the D/FW Metroplex & is right under the 2 million mark itself soon to eclipse Dallas County.
The rest of the counties...Collin, Rockwall, Kaufman, Ellis, Johnson, Parker, & Wise Counties would arguably not be what they are today without Dallas & Fort Worth at the very center. I still can't figure out for the life of me why Hunt & Delta Counties population figures are thrown in there with the others as they're practically on the edge of the Piney Woods here in East Texas & make up between 90,000-100,000 people combined (making Dallas look that much better).
Do the math Jluke, its pretty simple actually & all adds up to the 6.3 million people that currently make up North Texas.
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12-29-2009, 05:48 PM
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I was referring to Dallas County alone that IS in fact 2 million in population. SA's Metro population is indeed at 2 million too.
No, what you said is that without Fort Worth, a Dallas metro would only have 2 million. Not only is there no way you could prove that, but its highly illogical to think that Dallas would only have less than 1/3 of it current size without Fort Worth.
12-29-2009, 05:50 PM
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No, what you said is that without Fort Worth, a Dallas metro would only have 2 million. Not only is there no way you could prove that, but its highly illogical to think that Dallas would only have less than 1/3 of it current size without Fort Worth.
Do the math. I posted several of the counties numbers above.
12-29-2009, 05:57 PM
Location: Willowbend/Houston
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Metro Matt
Do the math. I posted several of the counties numbers above.
What math? Theres no way to know what a Dallas Metro area would truly be if Fort Worth didnt exist. You can post numbers until your fingers fall off, but it wont mean anything because Fort Wort exists and it will always exist. Given that Dallas is the biggest business center, I would bet any amount of money that it would retain 2/3 of the population if Fort Worth never existed. But again, theres no way to prove it.
12-29-2009, 06:00 PM
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What math? Theres no way to know what a Dallas Metro area would truly be if Fort Worth didnt exist. You can post numbers until your fingers fall off, but it wont mean anything because Fort Wort exists and it will always exist. Given that Dallas is the biggest business center, I would bet any amount of money that it would retain 2/3 of the population if Fort Worth never existed. But again, theres no way to prove it.
Yes, Fort Worth will always exist & will continue adding more people to its city than Dallas because Fort Worth can & has recently annexed more of its surrounding land, unlike Dallas, which is encompassed by surrounding cities all well over 100,000 in population. Most people are going to continue to choose Fort Worth though because its much less expensive & less corrupt than Dallas equaling a better quality of life overall.
12-29-2009, 06:06 PM
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Yes, Fort Worth will always exist & will continue adding more people to its city than Dallas because Fort Worth can & has recently annexed more of its surrounding land, unlike Dallas, which is encompassed by surrounding cities all well over 100,000 in population. Most people are going to continue to choose Fort Worth though because its much less expensive & less corrupt than Dallas equaling a better quality of life overall.
I would if I could, but my job is in Dallas. I like Fort Worth better than Dallas.
But I think that most people in recent years have been choosing Collin and Denton counties than Dallas or Tarrant counties (at least by percentage).
12-29-2009, 06:30 PM
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Yes, Fort Worth will always exist & will continue adding more people to its city than Dallas because Fort Worth can & has recently annexed more of its surrounding land, unlike Dallas, which is encompassed by surrounding cities all well over 100,000 in population. Most people are going to continue to choose Fort Worth though because its much less expensive & less corrupt than Dallas equaling a better quality of life overall.
Dallas still can annex land in other counties! Dallas annex land in Irving. Then Irving annex land around it so Dallas couldn't annex anymore land!
12-29-2009, 06:45 PM
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And all this nonsense has what to do with the imaginary rivalry between Dallas and Houston?
12-29-2009, 10:59 PM
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And all this nonsense has what to do with the imaginary rivalry between Dallas and Houston?
With all due respect. Its hardly imaginary, my friend. Any Native Texan knows that...
Even my grandfather who just turned 87 has told me the stories. Heck, he grew up on Walnut Hill Lane in Dallas when it was nothing but country & wide open fields as far as the eye could see & milked the cows every morning at the crack of dawn before school started. He also has an elementary school in Dallas named after his family's last name. His older brother (my great uncle) helped design the spire on the Republic Bank building & Red Horse a top the old Magnolia Building downtown.
This Time Magazine article, written way back in
1981 is one of the most famous write ups on the two cities of all time. A lot of whats described in it still holds true to this very day.
Here is just a little snippet taken from the article:
"Houston has no zoning laws. Dallas, however, is hemmed in by suburbs that resist annexation, and the city's urban planners have carefully guided expansion. Admits Dallas Developer Scovell: "Sure, we were jealous of Houston's growth. Anyone who tells you different is a liar."
The Best Little Rivalry in Texas - TIME
Deja Vu anyone?
I hope this finally puts a nail in this threads coffin for good as I'm tired of preaching to immature people who didn't even grow up here in this great state & know only what they read on C-D from highly biased posters.
I'm soo over it already!!!
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People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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