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Old 03-24-2010, 11:41 AM
 
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The unincorporated towns still rely on Houston. You can't say the same in DFW where cities are split between Dallas or Fort Worth. Really, DFW should have more people than Houston. It's built around two major cities, each with their own culture/vibe. With the new Census estimates, it's about 580K ahead of Houston. Don't know where the 700K number came from. Both are growing extremely fast though. Houston this past year gained more people (domestic + international), while Dallas had a higher natural increase (as it should).
I know its at least 600,000 more...closer to 700,000
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Old 03-24-2010, 12:02 PM
 
Location: Willowbend/Houston
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I know its at least 600,000 more...closer to 700,000
As of 2009, it is a 580,000 difference.
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Old 03-24-2010, 12:11 PM
 
Location: ITL (Houston)
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I know its at least 600,000 more...closer to 700,000
No, it's about 580K. All you have to do is subtract Houston's MSA from DFW.
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Old 03-24-2010, 12:13 PM
 
Location: Austin/Houston
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No, it's about 580K. All you have to do is subtract Houston's MSA from DFW.
Where do you find the latest estimates? I'm like LAnative, how do you read that census data for raw population estimates when its only going on percentages?
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Old 03-24-2010, 12:26 PM
 
Location: ITL (Houston)
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Where do you find the latest estimates? I'm like LAnative, how do you read that census data for raw population estimates when its only going on percentages?
Both try going to www.census.gov/popest/metro/metro.html (broken link). That should take you there. It's an Excel file.
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Old 03-24-2010, 12:42 PM
 
Location: Dallas
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It makes perfect sense that DFW's population advantage over Houston metro is evidenced by the presence of Fort Worth. Fort Worth's population is about 700,000 now and that's about the difference in population between both metros. I think within 10-15 years, Ft. Worth has the capability to overtake Dallas.

The unincorporated town argument is useless. Those unincorporated towns are still depend on Houston to operate. Not the same as how Ft Worth and its surrounding suburbs are being used to push a city's economy and numbers up that's 35 miles away.
My point is it's all one MSA no matter what anyone in here thinks. It's just annoying and juvenile when you have people whining "well DFW is only bigger because it has Ft. Worth." So? and it's only bigger because it has Arlington, and it's only bigger because it has Plano, and it's only bigger because it has Sachse or Pantego or some other god-knows-what unincorporated town blah blah blah. All the cities here work in a symbiotic relationship as how it works in any MSA, so any argument y'all try to put forth about "well DFW has Ft. Worth so that's not faaaaaair" can return back to the nursery for all I care.


p.s. the majority of this message was not directed at you per se, I understand what you're saying but an MSA is an MSA is an MSA.
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Old 03-24-2010, 12:59 PM
 
Location: Austin/Houston
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My point is it's all one MSA no matter what anyone in here thinks. It's just annoying and juvenile when you have people whining "well DFW is only bigger because it has Ft. Worth." So? and it's only bigger because it has Arlington, and it's only bigger because it has Plano, and it's only bigger because it has Sachse or Pantego or some other god-knows-what unincorporated town blah blah blah. All the cities here work in a symbiotic relationship as how it works in any MSA, so any argument y'all try to put forth about "well DFW has Ft. Worth so that's not faaaaaair" can return back to the nursery for all I care.


p.s. the majority of this message was not directed at you per se, I understand what you're saying but an MSA is an MSA is an MSA.
All i was saying is that DFW is supposed to be bigger than Houston MSA because DFW metro is driven by two engines as opposed to one. Most of the growth in DFW has been in its far suburbs such as Frisco and on the Fort Worth side of the metro. So if Dallas never grows again, it has Ft. Worth to back it up. I don't consider the cities as working in a symbiotic relationship when all of them fight against eachother for large corporations. Regardless of how the goverment views it as one MSA, the metro feels rather disjointed. And yes, it does seem kind of unbalanced that Dallas seems to get all the credit for everything in the metro when its a measley 25% of the total metro, but its the way it is. It's the more well- known city so i guess DFW will always be reffered to as Dallas, even when Fort Worth becomes larger.

I still think there's a double standard going on when The Bay Area became divided into separate MSAs but counted as all one CSA. Dallas/Ft. Worth definitely meets the requirements to be counted as a CSA and 2 separate MSAs. That just goes to show the imperfection of governments.
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Old 03-24-2010, 01:14 PM
 
Location: Willowbend/Houston
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Both are growing extremely fast though. Houston this past year gained more people (domestic + international), while Dallas had a higher natural increase (as it should).
If I may clarify for comparrison purposes:

New domestic residents:

Metro Houston: 49,662
DFW Metroplex: 45,241

New International residents:

DFW Metroplex: 31,571
Metro Houston: 27,996

New Residents total:

Metro Houston: 77,658
DFW Metroplex: 76,812

So Metro Houston did slightly edge out DFW for new total residents, but (the big shocker), DFW attracted more new international residents.
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Old 03-24-2010, 01:53 PM
 
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Bunch of whining


I still think there's a double standard going on when The Bay Area became divided into separate MSAs but counted as all one CSA. Dallas/Ft. Worth definitely meets the requirements to be counted as a CSA and 2 separate MSAs. That just goes to show the imperfection of governments.
No. The commuting patterns indicate otherwise. A significant percentage of Tarrant County's residents commute into Dallas County for employment, therefore, it met the threshold to be considered .

Commute patterns (http://www.dallasindicators.biz/Transportation/EfficientTransportationWithintheMetroplex/Commutepatterns/tabid/1980/language/en-US/Default.aspx - broken link)

http://www.dallasindicators.biz/Portals/8/Reports/Reports_External/MetroPlanChapter4.pdf (broken link)

However, I do agree that the Bay Area should not be divided into separate MSA's. Raleigh-Durham, NC is considered a CSA instead of one MSA for some odd reason, when Research Triangle Park is a major employment center for the region as a whole.
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Old 03-24-2010, 02:24 PM
 
Location: ITL (Houston)
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If I may clarify for comparrison purposes:

New domestic residents:

Metro Houston: 49,662
DFW Metroplex: 45,241

New International residents:

DFW Metroplex: 31,571
Metro Houston: 27,996

New Residents total:

Metro Houston: 77,658
DFW Metroplex: 76,812

So Metro Houston did slightly edge out DFW for new total residents, but (the big shocker), DFW attracted more new international residents.
DFW has been attracting more new international residents since 2000.
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