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Old 05-01-2020, 06:37 PM
 
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That makes sense, given the country of Canada (in the modern sense) has only existed for 150 years
It's more about intensity of development ("nation building") than it is about sheer age...Canada just never supported the huge population the US did, so it never really matched it when it came to cultural exports, identity, dynamism...
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Old 05-02-2020, 07:04 AM
 
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Because San Francisco is more gritty and ghetto while Toronto can feel very cookie cutter and sterile. Filth/crime = urban, cleanliness/safety = suburban.
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Old 05-03-2020, 07:46 PM
 
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Because San Francisco is more gritty and ghetto while Toronto can feel very cookie cutter and sterile. Filth/crime = urban, cleanliness/safety = suburban.
San Francisco isn't a very "gritty/ghetto" city, despite homelessness problems. Its pretty gentrified, artsy, and bougie. The high cost of living creates a population of homeless.
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Old 05-03-2020, 08:00 PM
 
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San Francisco isn't a very "gritty/ghetto" city, despite homelessness problems. Its pretty gentrified, artsy, and bougie. The high cost of living creates a population of homeless.
Compared to Toronto it's dirty and ghetto.
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Old 05-04-2020, 01:57 PM
 
Location: In the heights
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Compared to Toronto it's dirty and ghetto.
Sure, but Toronto is quite clean and urban compared to many US cities. A lot of very urban cities are quite clean. Toronto just happens to be more urban and cleaner than San Francisco overall, especially if you compare the apples to apples 47 square miles that makes up San Francisco's area (you get about the same area if you combine Old Toronto and York, but with a substantially larger population). Toronto also has better mass transit than SF does. What it doesn't have are jobs that pay at the same kind of top level that SF does.
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Old 05-04-2020, 02:28 PM
 
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Sure, but Toronto is quite clean and urban compared to many US cities. A lot of very urban cities are quite clean. Toronto just happens to be more urban and cleaner than San Francisco overall, especially if you compare the apples to apples 47 square miles that makes up San Francisco's area (you get about the same area if you combine Old Toronto and York, but with a substantially larger population). Toronto also has better mass transit than SF does. What it doesn't have are jobs that pay at the same kind of top level that SF does.
Yes but from an American perspective the inner city is associated with high crime and filth while cleanliness, safety, and upscale living is associated with the suburbs. Filth, crime, noise, and pollution is just accepted as the gritty urban fabric. So when Americans go abroad to Toronto they think it is a bit too sterile and therefore suburban for such a big city.

I know Toronto is in fact at least as urban as SF. But we're talking about how people feel in this thread.
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Old 05-04-2020, 03:37 PM
 
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Yes but from an American perspective the inner city is associated with high crime and filth while cleanliness, safety, and upscale living is associated with the suburbs. Filth, crime, noise, and pollution is just accepted as the gritty urban fabric. So when Americans go abroad to Toronto they think it is a bit too sterile and therefore suburban for such a big city.

I know Toronto is in fact at least as urban as SF. But we're talking about how people feel in this thread.
No, it sort of depends on where you're coming from. US cities can be pretty disappointing, but certainly Chicago's River North and Lincoln Park living nor is Manhattan's Upper East Side or Upper West Side associated with high crime and filth. Meanwhile, suburbs like Compton, or more recently, Ferguson, have been associated with high crime. In effect, the US is simply a more violent place than Canada is overall regardless of urban, suburban, or rural.

I think you're associating urban with filth in a way distinct to you. It is not something that is a natural association for many a people. The OP made an assertion and plenty of people disagreed with it. What's more, the topic was made almost a decade ago and in that period of time, Toronto built up even more densely.

If there was an honest answer to this, it's probably because Toronto is associated with a far larger area that's more than just Old Toronto and so a lot more suburban areas are associated with Toronto than they are with San Francisco simply because Toronto takes in a much larger physical area. If you were to be honest about trying to do an apples to apples comparison over the same area, Toronto is overall about as urban as San Francisco is.
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Old 05-04-2020, 10:08 PM
 
Location: White Rock BC
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Love SF but I think Toronto is much more urban than SF.
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Old 05-05-2020, 12:35 PM
 
Location: Vancouver
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Love SF but I think Toronto is much more urban than SF.
I agree. I've been to both several times, and if just going by feel, Toronto just feels bigger and denser.
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Old 05-06-2020, 10:05 AM
 
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No, it sort of depends on where you're coming from. US cities can be pretty disappointing, but certainly Chicago's River North and Lincoln Park living nor is Manhattan's Upper East Side or Upper West Side associated with high crime and filth. Meanwhile, suburbs like Compton, or more recently, Ferguson, have been associated with high crime. In effect, the US is simply a more violent place than Canada is overall regardless of urban, suburban, or rural.

I think you're associating urban with filth in a way distinct to you. It is not something that is a natural association for many a people. The OP made an assertion and plenty of people disagreed with it. What's more, the topic was made almost a decade ago and in that period of time, Toronto built up even more densely.

If there was an honest answer to this, it's probably because Toronto is associated with a far larger area that's more than just Old Toronto and so a lot more suburban areas are associated with Toronto than they are with San Francisco simply because Toronto takes in a much larger physical area. If you were to be honest about trying to do an apples to apples comparison over the same area, Toronto is overall about as urban as San Francisco is.
The problem is Compton and Ferguson while technically suburbs are usually associated much more with the inner city. Compton looks much more like LA proper hoods like Watts than it looks like affluent suburban Diamond Bar, Irvine, etc.

Yes, there are pockets of gentrified inner city wealth in the U.S., but by and large, the inner city is usually associated with fifth and crime while the outer suburbs are usually associated with affluence, safety, and cleanliness. Just Google pics of inner city, and then Google pics of suburbia.
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