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Old 06-24-2011, 05:00 AM
 
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I've found that montreal's european enclaves seem to greater define the city's than toronto's. The greek and Italian influences on montreal not to mention jewish are more pronounced in the city than Toronto's it seems. Even though numerically toronto likely has more members.
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Old 06-24-2011, 08:35 AM
 
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I've found that montreal's european enclaves seem to greater define the city's than toronto's. The greek and Italian influences on montreal not to mention jewish are more pronounced in the city than Toronto's it seems. Even though numerically toronto likely has more members.
Yes, Montreal reminds me of an east coast American city, just further inland and French-speaking......Toronto just feels differant...not east coast, nor midwestern
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Old 06-24-2011, 10:42 AM
 
Location: Toronto
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Yes, Montreal reminds me of an east coast American city, just further inland and French-speaking......Toronto just feels differant...not east coast, nor midwestern
Like a Buffalo?
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Old 06-24-2011, 11:01 AM
 
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more like a bison maybe
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Old 06-24-2011, 11:06 AM
 
Location: NoVA bound!
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I would have a long response on this (heck, I could probably write a book on this), but it would quickly get deleted for being off-topic.

If you are interested in what I have to say on the issue, you can send me a direct message.
Okay, you caught me out. Curious, yes. Truly interested... probably not but if you ever write the book, let me know!
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Old 05-19-2012, 05:53 PM
 
Location: The heart of Cascadia
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I talk to an Italian gal from Orangeville online sometimes, she is really cute.

Yeah I did notice quite an Italian presence there. Nothing compared to Buffalo but it's pretty strong.
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Old 05-19-2012, 07:40 PM
 
Location: The western periphery of Terra Australis
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I was actually surprised Canada had more Italians per capita than Australia. Sydney and Melbourne in particular often seem defined by their European culture...can't count the number of times I've heard Melbourne described as a 'European' city. Italian, Greek and other European culture is very much a long-standing part of culture - Italian restaurants, cafes, gelaterias, etc everywhere...some places have more Italians than any other group, and it's still common to hear Italian spoken in the city. Perth, too, has areas that are very Italian, dominated by Italian restaurants, cafes, businesses.etc.
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Old 05-19-2012, 07:42 PM
 
Location: Fishers, IN
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I was actually surprised Canada had more Italians per capita than Australia.
Shorter boat ride.
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Old 05-19-2012, 09:07 PM
 
Location: Toronto
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Shorter boat ride.
Don't forget -- John Cabot was Italian.
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Old 05-19-2012, 09:49 PM
 
Location: Toronto
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Italian was, after English, the second largest mother tongue in Toronto sometime during the 1980s (the years of The Kids of Degrassi Street!).

I have the atlas book Canada and the World: an atlas resource. published in 1985, and on one of the pages featuring Toronto there is a visual graph/chart showing "First Languages in Metropolitan Toronto" (which is the same as the city of Toronto itself now, post-1998 amalgamation, so it's not going to include Woodbridge or anything). And I will now post what I see on the page since I do happen to have the book on hand.

Looking at the graph, it looks like about a bit more than 32% of the population had a non-English first language then (actually I'm guessing maybe they used the 1981 census) and 8.5% of that was Italian. Chinese and Portuguese both made up 3% each, and German and Greek both were 2% each. Ukrainian was 1%, and Polish looks like 1.5%. French looks also like 1.5%, maybe less. A full 10% was composed of "other" languages.

Also, on the same page, there are choropleth maps of Metropolitan Toronto by first languages and first language Italian-speakers did occupy a lot of census tracts on the west side of the city (with a few census tracts that were over 42% mother-tongue Italian-speakers, and a fairly large number of census tracts that had 20-something or 30-something % of them).

These stats represent Toronto in the 1980s, but as someone who grew up in the '90s, indeed, a fair number of my classmates were of Italian descent, and I was aware of an elementary school that had an Italian-language immersion program, because a friend of mine went to it.
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