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Old 03-06-2013, 01:14 PM
 
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Toronto’s population overtakes Chicago | Toronto Star

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Old 03-06-2013, 05:43 PM
 
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it would happen sooner or later when one is growing with decent rate while the other has been in consistent decline.

It doesn't mean much honestly. Chicago is still a more powerful and wealthier city in general. Toronto should focus on improving itself by building the necessary infrastructure and creating more jobs rather than being obsessed with catching up with someone in terms of size. And I would love to have some of Chicago's amazing buildings and its superb waterfront.

4th largest, that's about it. Toronto will never be larger than LA within the next 50 years (unless there is a huge earthquake there of course).
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Old 03-06-2013, 07:55 PM
 
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Do you really think the entity known as "Toronto" is obsessed with catching up to Chicago in terms of size and population... really?? Maybe it is what it is due to policy, geography and I hate to say it economy and in particular economy for the average joe..


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rather than being obsessed with catching up with someone in terms of size.
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Old 03-06-2013, 08:09 PM
 
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Meh metro size is what counts. Chicago is still a bigger and more important city.
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Old 03-06-2013, 08:45 PM
 
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Yes and the disparity between metro counts using apples to apples comparisons isnt that much different. As for more important yes.... but Toronto has been closing on Chicago faster than Chicago has been distancing itself from Toronto.

If anything this is a good indication of the growing prominence of Toronto so smugness should be avoided

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Meh metro size is what counts. Chicago is still a bigger and more important city.
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Old 03-07-2013, 08:13 AM
 
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it would happen sooner or later when one is growing with decent rate while the other has been in consistent decline.

It doesn't mean much honestly. Chicago is still a more powerful and wealthier city in general. Toronto should focus on improving itself by building the necessary infrastructure and creating more jobs rather than being obsessed with catching up with someone in terms of size. And I would love to have some of Chicago's amazing buildings and its superb waterfront.

4th largest, that's about it. Toronto will never be larger than LA within the next 50 years (unless there is a huge earthquake there of course).
I would not call Chicago a city in decline per se as it's metro population has still grown over time. It seems people are choosing to not live in the city proper and are opting for houses and picket fences in the burbs. While the reverse effect has happened in Toronto as driven by the condo boom and high immigration levels. I agree that Chicago remains a more prominent city from an economic and cultural perspective but if anything, this helps give Toronto more presence overall. I have no idea why Chicago has had the population shifts they have had. That would be an interesting study.

But despite its relatively large big population, I think Toronto doesn't get much spotlight on a world scale because:

(1) it is in Canada, which is a smaller, lower profile country
(2) The weather is not going to pull people to the city
(3) it is harder to differientiate from other North American cities, except for the multicultural aspect
(4) lack of beauty. I say this because Vancouver has the natural beauty and Montreal has the distinct culture/history which increase their respective popularities whereas the Toronto doesn't have that touristic draw

Now we can't really change (1) or (2) but we can impove (3) and (4). I don't care about pop'n growth via immigration and more glass condos, I'd rather see improvements in architecture, transporation, public space and parks, preserving the history we do have (Distillery was a great idea), museums and cultural amenitites, and promotion of investment in real knowledge-based industries (not construction) to increase incomes and buzz - these are the factors that will take the city up a notch, especially if done with some 'originality'. We have the size, multiculturalism, safety, corporate base, and no real competiton in Canada but there needs to be leadership and vision to make things happen. Maybe I have a different vision than most but the proposed casino complex is not what I have in mind, in fact the concept makes my stomach churn

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Old 03-07-2013, 05:12 PM
 
Location: Toronto
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I like your version of what our city should become, I just don't think reality will allow for it in terms of the need for high densification in our urban cores. As long as there is fuel for the fire of condo developer's those 60 story and above condo's will keep popping up. I do think we need some affordable and new developments to start occuring. If you rent in Toronto you are renting in a Commie Block building or paying an outrageous amount to rent a shoebox sized condo.

After visiting both cities I find that Toronto and in particular Old Toronto has a much more interesting and happening urban core than Chicago and in particular Downtown Chicago. On the flipside, The suburbs of Chicago are more interesting and urban than that of the suburbs of T.O.

Basically, In Toronto the place to be is Downtown, not Scarborough, North York or Mississauga. In Chicago everyone parties in the burbs. They go downtown to work along with tourists who go to visit attractions. I couldn't believe how far from the Loop (where my hotel was) to go to Boystown to check out the gay scene in Chicago. It would be like travelling from Downtown Toronto to Etobicoke...


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I would not call Chicago a city in decline per se as it's metro population has still grown over time. It seems people are choosing to not live in the city proper and are opting for houses and picket fences in the burbs. While the reverse effect has happened in Toronto as driven by the condo boom and high immigration levels. I agree that Chicago remains a more prominent city from an economic and cultural perspective but if anything, this helps give Toronto more presence overall. I have no idea why Chicago has had the population shifts they have had. That would be an interesting study.

But despite its relatively large big population, I think Toronto doesn't get much spotlight on a world scale because:

(1) it is in Canada, which is a smaller, lower profile country
(2) The weather is not going to pull people to the city
(3) it is harder to differientiate from other North American cities, except for the multicultural aspect
(4) lack of beauty. I say this because Vancouver has the natural beauty and Montreal has the distinct culture/history which increase their respective popularities whereas the Toronto doesn't have that touristic draw

Now we can't really change (1) or (2) but we can impove (3) and (4). I don't care about pop'n growth via immigration and more glass condos, I'd rather see improvements in architecture, transporation, public space and parks, preserving the history we do have (Distillery was a great idea), museums and cultural amenitites, and promotion of investment in real knowledge-based industries (not construction) to increase incomes and buzz - these are the factors that will take the city up a notch, especially if done with some 'originality'. We have the size, multiculturalism, safety, corporate base, and no real competiton in Canada but there needs to be leadership and vision to make things happen. Maybe I have a different vision than most but the proposed casino complex is not what I have in mind, in fact the concept makes my stomach churn

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Old 03-07-2013, 06:49 PM
 
Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada
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Chicago's population is decreasing, what is the reason for that? Its population was almost a million higher 60 years ago. Was it a case of people from the inner city moving to the suburbs or people leaving the area altogether?
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Old 03-07-2013, 07:04 PM
 
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What is Toronto?
It's what the Lone Ranger calls his Indian friend when he's had too much Canadian Club.
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Old 03-07-2013, 07:33 PM
 
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The title of this topic is misleading. "Toronto's population takes over Chicago" makes it sound like all the residents of Toronto went to Chicago and took it over by force. LOL.
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