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View Poll Results: Fundamentally, Toronto is more like ...
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Old 04-21-2015, 06:05 AM
 
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Nah, I actually think Queen Street is pretty special. Don't think I've been to anywhere that felt as "fun" and happening, and I've been to a lot of cities. Vancouver, Chicago, Los Angeles, Seattle, Toronto, and Denver to name a few.
all your examples are in Canada and US, where cities are not known for being fun and vibrant.
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Old 04-21-2015, 10:10 AM
 
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Toronto isn't similar to Chicago at all. They're moving in opposite directions now. Toronto is a booming city that's gaining more recognition in the world while Chicago's a declining Midwestern city that had already seen its heyday 50 years ago. Also downtown Chicago had just been surpassed by Philadelphia, so that's a sign that Chicago is falling further and further into the abyss.
huh?
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Old 04-21-2015, 11:36 AM
 
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Toronto isn't similar to Chicago at all. They're moving in opposite directions now. Toronto is a booming city that's gaining more recognition in the world while Chicago's a declining Midwestern city that had already seen its heyday 50 years ago. Also downtown Chicago had just been surpassed by Philadelphia, so that's a sign that Chicago is falling further and further into the abyss.
Please check out this poster's history....a big basher of Chicago, and a little delusional in the boosting of Philadelphia.
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Old 04-30-2015, 12:08 AM
 
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No, this is just homerism. Queen Street isn't an unusually vibrant or impressive urban street. It isn't even as impressive or interesting as Yonge, and Yonge isn't unusual for global standards.

Queen Street is the same type of street you see in almost all major U.S. cities around the world- kind of hipster/yuppie leaning retail and restaurants in funky lowrise commerical buildings, for miles. The Urban Outfitters, some Scandinavian furniture store, some wacky Mexican-Thai fusion joint. Maybe a street performer, a homeless dude, and some skateboarders.

It would be more of a local attraction than a visitor attraction, because every town has some version of Queen Street. Even lesser cities like Buffalo have their "Elmwood Strip" or whatever it's called. Hamilton probably has some mini-version of Queen Street too.

What I've noticed is how "defensive" some Toronto people get when you say anything about what Toronto lacks or giving a true opinion of the place that may not be favorable. And you can tell how much "Homerism" they have because they never say anything bad about Toronto, lol. I'm not from Toronto, but lived there for 5 years. My opinion of the place is unbiased and true because I didn't grow up there. A person from a certain city that always defends it with "rose colored" glasses on can not give a true analysis of the place because no matter what they will always say something positive and not just be honest with themselves.

I also noticed a lot of Toronto people haven't spent much time in any other cities outside of Toronto. Toronto is a nice city, but honestly it is not appealing for tourists. It's cool being a "Novelty" if you have never been there. But Toronto has nothing eye catching or appealing that just makes it a place that you have to come and see. I've also been to Montreal as well, and the Old Montreal area with the cobble stone streets really stuck out to me and is eye catching and appealing. In my opinion Toronto is a watered down version of a mid-sized American city, with a CN Tower lol. And Toronto does have the lowest crime rate of any North American major city, and that is awesome.


I also have a cousin that moved from the U.S. to Toronto, then ended up moving to Chicago. So he lived in both places for about 3 years each. He liked Toronto, but after living in Chicago he just raves about the place. And he always compares the two cities since he lived in both. He's specifically said how Chicago's downtown was massive compared to Toronto's. He also stated that how in the summer time Chicago always has huge events going on 24/7. Like it's so much going on in Chicago in the summer that it's almost too much. And he told me how for St. Patrick's they Dye the Chicago River Green, lol. That's pretty cool haha. I saw some pictures of that, looks pretty cool. See stuff like that show's a city has personality and some spice. Chicago is actually known for doing that.

What does Toronto do that is cool like that or known for?
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Old 04-30-2015, 12:11 AM
 
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all your examples are in Canada and US, where cities are not known for being fun and vibrant.
That guy you replied to said Queen Street is special, lmfao! Have these people gone anywhere besides Toronto? Queen Street is not special. I barely even think about the street when i'm thinking about Toronto. Are these people serious?
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Old 04-30-2015, 07:04 AM
 
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What I've noticed is how "defensive" some Toronto people get when you say anything about what Toronto lacks or giving a true opinion of the place that may not be favorable. And you can tell how much "Homerism" they have because they never say anything bad about Toronto, lol. I'm not from Toronto, but lived there for 5 years. My opinion of the place is unbiased and true because I didn't grow up there. A person from a certain city that always defends it with "rose colored" glasses on can not give a true analysis of the place because no matter what they will always say something positive and not just be honest with themselves.

I also noticed a lot of Toronto people haven't spent much time in any other cities outside of Toronto. Toronto is a nice city, but honestly it is not appealing for tourists. It's cool being a "Novelty" if you have never been there. But Toronto has nothing eye catching or appealing that just makes it a place that you have to come and see. I've also been to Montreal as well, and the Old Montreal area with the cobble stone streets really stuck out to me and is eye catching and appealing. In my opinion Toronto is a watered down version of a mid-sized American city, with a CN Tower lol. And Toronto does have the lowest crime rate of any North American major city, and that is awesome.


I also have a cousin that moved from the U.S. to Toronto, then ended up moving to Chicago. So he lived in both places for about 3 years each. He liked Toronto, but after living in Chicago he just raves about the place. And he always compares the two cities since he lived in both. He's specifically said how Chicago's downtown was massive compared to Toronto's. He also stated that how in the summer time Chicago always has huge events going on 24/7. Like it's so much going on in Chicago in the summer that it's almost too much. And he told me how for St. Patrick's they Dye the Chicago River Green, lol. That's pretty cool haha. I saw some pictures of that, looks pretty cool. See stuff like that show's a city has personality and some spice. Chicago is actually known for doing that.

What does Toronto do that is cool like that or known for?
You're impressed with someone throwing green dye into a river? Lol, enough said, your opinion of Toronto is a joke too! Watered down version of a mid sized american city? You really believe this? Ridiculous!
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Old 04-30-2015, 07:13 AM
 
Location: Windsor Ontario/Colchester Ontario
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No, this is just homerism. Queen Street isn't an unusually vibrant or impressive urban street. It isn't even as impressive or interesting as Yonge, and Yonge isn't unusual for global standards.

Queen Street is the same type of street you see in almost all major U.S. cities around the world- kind of hipster/yuppie leaning retail and restaurants in funky lowrise commerical buildings, for miles. The Urban Outfitters, some Scandinavian furniture store, some wacky Mexican-Thai fusion joint. Maybe a street performer, a homeless dude, and some skateboarders.

It would be more of a local attraction than a visitor attraction, because every town has some version of Queen Street. Even lesser cities like Buffalo have their "Elmwood Strip" or whatever it's called. Hamilton probably has some mini-version of Queen Street too.
You are delusional and your hatred for toronto is obvious! No, not every American city has a street that rivals Queen St., especially not Buffalo, lol. Your posts give away your jealousy of Toronto!
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Old 04-30-2015, 07:29 AM
 
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You are delusional and your hatred for toronto is obvious! No, not every American city has a street that rivals Queen St., especially not Buffalo, lol. Your posts give away your jealousy of Toronto!
To be fair, Queen St west is just a so so retail street. I was never impressed by anything about it from day 1, and never will, and I was never sure why locals make a big deal out of it all the time.

Buffalo may not have it, but most cities of Toronto's size have something similar to Queen W. And I am not talking about American cities, which would be among the bottom 20% world wide in terms of urban vibrancy.

All things considered, one thing I deeply dislike about Toronto (besides horrible weather and bad public transport) is the lack of retail and too many pure residential streets, even in downtown.

And can I say Queen W is a mess? Mixed traffic with bad pedestrian experience, horrible congestion all the time, dilapidated buildings, with big gaps here and there. It needs major improvement before becoming something one can be proud of. It just doesn't look like a premier commercial street of the country's largest city.
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Old 04-30-2015, 08:06 AM
 
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To be fair, Queen St west is just a so so retail street. I was never impressed by anything about it from day 1, and never will, and I was never sure why locals make a big deal out of it all the time.

Buffalo may not have it, but most cities of Toronto's size have something similar to Queen W. And I am not talking about American cities, which would be among the bottom 20% world wide in terms of urban vibrancy.

All things considered, one thing I deeply dislike about Toronto (besides horrible weather and bad public transport) is the lack of retail and too many pure residential streets, even in downtown.

And can I say Queen W is a mess? Mixed traffic with bad pedestrian experience, horrible congestion all the time, dilapidated buildings, with big gaps here and there. It needs major improvement before becoming something one can be proud of. It just doesn't look like a premier commercial street of the country's largest city.
I agree with much of what you are saying, but honestly Toronto needs more streets like Queen, rather than messing with a pretty successful retail strip that is in place already. It may need some level of adjustment or improvements, but the continuous row of business that stay in operation is something that should be praised rather than torn down.
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Old 04-30-2015, 08:38 AM
 
Location: Windsor Ontario/Colchester Ontario
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I agree with much of what you are saying, but honestly Toronto needs more streets like Queen, rather than messing with a pretty successful retail strip that is in place already. It may need some level of adjustment or improvements, but the continuous row of business that stay in operation is something that should be praised rather than torn down.
Exactly!
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