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Have you ever lived in Toronto? It seems that you have too much theoretical knowledge without any practical substance. Ignorance at best, sorry...
Lol, very sorry stuff.
Instead of responding directly to my facts (which you clearly can't retort), you resort with a personal insult. The only ignorant one is the guy who called a compact city with 11k people/square mile and sky high public transit ridership "not walkable and very sprawling," lolol.
Seems you don't know your own city too well, bud.
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Instead of responding directly to my facts (which you clearly can't retort), you resort with a personal insult. The only ignorant one is the guy who called a compact city with 11k people/square mile and sky high public transit ridership "not walkable and very sprawling," lolol.
Seems you don't know your own city too well, bud.
It seems that you have never been to Toronto - come here and see how walkable is 20 km from North York to Downtown. And by the way, the majority of the people who work downtown are living in suburbs, that are even farther away - 30, 40 km. For some it can take 1 hour - 1 hour and half one way by TTC. And I don't want to start to talk about TTC - it is absolutely not enough for Toronto. The last TTC station has been built almost 40 years ago.
I have just come back from Dusseldorf - this city is really walkable (10km x 5km), has 1/5 of Toronto population, 1/10 of Toronto area and probably 2-3 times more public transit. It also have a 5 km tunnel going under city center and several autobahns. That is called modern infrastructure and walkable city.
There is no insult intended - I don't understand why you argue about city that you have never lived or even been. I say nothing about Connecticut or Chicago.
Really? Regarding the chicken parma?
I find there premade items at Loblaws, Sobeys, Longos really low quality and high priced.
For the cost I would much rather buy from California Sandwiches or Pusateri's.
Then again even when the menu is the same different chain locations make stuff so differently. Most of the time it boils down to the actually staff at the location and the equipment they use. It can be like night and day. What Loblaws is being referred too?
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Really? Regarding the chicken parma?
I find there premade items at Loblaws, Sobeys, Longos really low quality and high priced.
For the cost I would much rather buy from California Sandwiches or Pusateri's.
Then again even when the menu is the same different chain locations make stuff so differently. Most of the time it boils down to the actually staff at the location and the equipment they use. It can be like night and day. What Loblaws is being referred too?
It's not even in Toronto -- it's in Ottawa... in Barrhaven. It's really yummy.
It seems that you have never been to Toronto - come here and see how walkable is 20 km from North York to Downtown. And by the way, the majority of the people who work downtown are living in suburbs, that are even farther away - 30, 40 km. For some it can take 1 hour - 1 hour and half one way by TTC. And I don't want to start to talk about TTC - it is absolutely not enough for Toronto. The last TTC station has been built almost 40 years ago.
I have just come back from Dusseldorf - this city is really walkable (10km x 5km), has 1/5 of Toronto population, 1/10 of Toronto area and probably 2-3 times more public transit. It also have a 5 km tunnel going under city center and several autobahns. That is called modern infrastructure and walkable city.
There is no insult intended - I don't understand why you argue about city that you have never lived or even been. I say nothing about Connecticut or Chicago.
Another assumption, lol.
While I have never lived in Toronto, I have I visited it. Stayed at the hotel built into the Rogers Centre. I don't need to live in a city to comment on it, the same way I don't need to be an electrical engineer to know how to turn on a lightbulb.
EDIT: LOL, I'm not suggesting that someone walks 20 KM. That would be absurd. It would be equivalent to saying NYC is not a walkable city b/c Queens is 20 KM from Manhattan. What I'm saying is that the individual neighborhoods are walkable and that the public transit is strong. You'd take the subway from North York to Downtown. Toronto has the 4th highest rapid public transit ridership in North America for a reason. It's a compact, walkable city with zero need for a car. Regarding your example, of people living in the suburbs, in that case, of course, they'd need a car. But going back to OP's example, he/she is talking about living AND working in Toronto proper.
The fact remains is that you called a compact city with a high walk score, high public transit score, and 11,000 people/square mile "sprawling and not walkable" which is patently false.
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I don't know if Toronto's high cost of living is worth it to be honest. A lot of people say they are willing to spend more to be in a big city but I don't know if the super high rent and home prices for average salaries justifies it and if Toronto is truly nice enough to be worth the high cost. If someone were rich, I can see Toronto being a nice fit for them if they have a home somewhere in a upscale area. But I know people value different things. It's just I personally don't think it would be worth it but I say the same for Vancouver even though it has the ocean and beautiful scenery and nature surrounding the city. If people want to live in a big city, why not choose Montreal? It has a much lower cost of living than Toronto even after factoring taxes and presumably lower salaries. Or if you don't mind a more mid-sized city, Ottawa can be a good option for a much lower cost of living than Toronto plus it's relatively close to Toronto and Montreal for big events. There are so many cities in Canada with a lower cost of living than Toronto and can be even be more attractive than Toronto as well. And using the argument for jobs, it is true Toronto has the most jobs, but it is also the most competitive because of the huge population, so that sort of balances itself out.
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I don't know if Toronto's high cost of living is worth it to be honest. A lot of people say they are willing to spend more to be in a big city but I don't know if the super high rent and home prices for average salaries justifies it and if Toronto is truly nice enough to be worth the high cost. If someone were rich, I can see Toronto being a nice fit for them if they have a home somewhere in a upscale area. But I know people value different things. It's just I personally don't think it would be worth it but I say the same for Vancouver even though it has the ocean and beautiful scenery and nature surrounding the city. If people want to live in a big city, why not choose Montreal? It has a much lower cost of living than Toronto even after factoring taxes and presumably lower salaries. Or if you don't mind a more mid-sized city, Ottawa can be a good option for a much lower cost of living than Toronto plus it's relatively close to Toronto and Montreal for big events. There are so many cities in Canada with a lower cost of living than Toronto and can be even be more attractive than Toronto as well. And using the argument for jobs, it is true Toronto has the most jobs, but it is also the most competitive because of the huge population, so that sort of balances itself out.
So many good points and, as you said, it's based on what's important to you.
I'm originally from Montreal and the only answer to your question of "why not choose Montreal?" would be "if you don't speak French." That said, I don't speak French, lived in Montreal just fine, but chose to move to Ottawa because my family is here and the tax saving in Ontario vs. Quebec is huge for me.
I wish the OP would come back and update us. I saw that there is home issues and this is about him and what he need to do for himself and safety.
I hope he took a big step to get a place and continue to work hard to afford the GTA area.
OP please update us and I do care.
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