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Old 08-29-2008, 06:48 AM
 
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I spent some time in New York City and it was alright... and I'm considering moving to T.O. but what are the differences/common things between the two cities? Is Toronto spread out more? How does housing compare? Traffic? Transportation [the subway system? buses?] Healthcare? Safety? Tech-related jobs?
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Old 08-29-2008, 08:08 AM
 
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According to my understanding: both are the largest city in its respective country, economic and financial center. fast paced, both have good public transport system although NYC's subway is far more extensive than T.O. I don't think Toronto is too spreadout. if you live south of Eglinton Ave you rarely have the need to go any further north. I am a downtown person, so I practically walk to anywhere. People complain that TO is spreadout because they live in North York or Scarborough.
I don't think either is an IT center in terms of job opportunities, but considering the size of the economy, there should be signicant demand as well.
NYC's housing price is extremely high as far as I know. Toronto is not cheap either, but should be much better. You will need to pay $1000-$1500 for a decent one-bed room condo in a good location. If you are interested in buying, the median single family house price was between 410K last year if my stats are correct.
Toronto is very safe in most neighborhoods. I am not sure about NYC. many people say it is very safe, but maybe that's just US standard.
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Old 08-30-2008, 12:31 AM
 
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I usually think of Toronto as "New York in 1/4 scale". 1/4 the size, 1/4 the population, 1/4 the skyscrapers, 1/4 the influence in the world, etc...
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Old 08-30-2008, 08:22 AM
 
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it is probably right! and I actually prefer smaller cities where you have all the fun things without having to commute too much.

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I usually think of Toronto as "New York in 1/4 scale". 1/4 the size, 1/4 the population, 1/4 the skyscrapers, 1/4 the influence in the world, etc...
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Old 08-31-2008, 04:23 PM
 
Location: San Diego CA
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apples and oranges really.
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Old 09-06-2008, 11:59 AM
 
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I'm from NY and I now live in Toronto.

IT JOBS
NY for IT work is MUCH better with MUCH HIGHER salaries. Period. I've had trouble finding IT work here and never in NY. Even with a bad economy I get responses from NY. Perhaps its because many jobs here require specific finance or banking experience which I don't have. Though if you do, you may be okay, but keep in mind you will be competing with a lot of new immigrants and the unemployment in Toronto (7%) is higher than NY Metro (5.2). Funny NY is more of a financial center but it is less of an issue. And with my conversations with various IT recruiters in Toronto they ALL say things have really slowed down here! They all say the same thing as well.. the market and salaries are better in Calgary. But I don't want to live in Calgary...

SUBWAYS AND TRANSPORTATION
Subways are CHEAPER in NY ($2 per ride in NY 2.75 in Toronto) dunno why the person above said its more expensive. It is NOT 24 hours in Toronto (unlike NYC). It is expensive to fly out of Pearson (high Canadian taxes on flights.. so drive to Buffalo). You may think you are getting a cheap 200 r/t flight to NY but with taxes that is 350. I have flown to NY for the weekend from Buffalo for 140! Which explains why at least half of the cars at BUF airport are Canadian! From NY you have 2 choices for international gateways and it is much cheaper to fly to Europe, South America, Asia, etc. I have flown to Australia from JFK for 1,400 including tax and a free layover in Tahiti!

LIVING EXPENSE
Toronto is cheaper for buying a flat. But there are suburbs of NY that are NOT expensive especically when you take into account higher salaries. Food is the same BUT you get double taxed.. Federal and Provincial tax so it costs more in the end. So do cars (much higher than the US). Groceries are higher (I stock up when I am in Buffalo). Car insurance is MUCH higher! I was shocked! And you have to bring paperwork from your state DMV proving you have been licensed for as long as you have and letters from your insurance companies saying how long you have been insured to get the best rate. I was paying 1,200 a year for a car garaged in a NYC suburb for a late model Saab, it jumped close to 1,900 here - and I shopped around.

SAFETY
I don't know about safety but it seems I'm always hearing about drugs busts here, a kid killed there, murder here and there so I am not sure if it is safer. It is smaller though (around 6 mill in metro versus 22 mill in NY metro) so it should be safer. I can tell you that in my 18 years of living in New York City I have never been mugged, harrassed, attacked, etc. And I do not know any of my friends who have. I guess as far as both or any cities are concerned just know where to go and not to go. And NY crime statistics have been on a steady decline.

CULTURAL LIFE
Always something happening in NY. Broadway/off Broadway. 12 months out of the year. The Metropolitan Museum is top notch and the price to get in is suggested. The Royal Ontario Museum (ROM) is nice but its about $22 to get in (ouch) except on Friday night. You can spend a day at the ROM, the Met will require at least 3 days.

BEACHES IN THE SUMMER
Lake versus ocean. I miss the sand dunes of long island. You decide if you want to swim in the ocean or on a lake.

PROXIMITY TO OTHER CITIES FOR GETAWAYS
From NY you can weekend in Boston, Philly, DC. Toronto you can go to Ottawa, Buffalo, Cleveland, Detroit and Montreal. Buffalo surprised me by how nice the architecture can be.

WINTERS
Colder and snowier. no question. But its mild for Canada.

HEALTH CARE
I do not understand why Canadians complain, at least you get it. In the US you get it from your employer and I had wonderful private coverage. I had an accident and needed minor cosmetic surgery that cost 10,000 USD from a top notch NY doctor in a top notch NY hospital. It cost me 0 dollars since I called an ambulance to take me there. It would have cost me 2000 if I took a cab! The one thing they don;t really tell you if you have no insurance and go to emergency rooms in the US (hospital that takes public funds) they have to treat you! And if you can't pay you can negotiatie. I know 2 illegal migrants in the US that had heart attacks and had thousands of dollars in debt, they made arrangements to pay 50 bucks a month to the hospital til paid. My friends who work in ER in NY hospitals say the same thing. So no universal health but if there is an emergency, its kind of a secret thing. Shhhhh...

SUMMARY
So good luck with your decision. I like Toronto, I have always wanted to live here. But now that I am here, I have come to realise that for my career I am better off where I started (NY). Especially what I experienced first hand searching for an IT job. Everyone's circumstance will be different. Toronto is more like Chicago than NY and you get to live in a good country (Canada). The US then again is also a good country (except for those pesky states that voted wrong for the past 8 years).

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Old 09-15-2008, 09:02 PM
 
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I LOVE your description minibrings!
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Old 09-19-2008, 04:36 AM
 
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I LOVE your description minibrings!
thanks SuperKirby. I tried not to be biased and be objective and take into account people's skills are different and just relayed facts.

As an American I have always loved Canada (even before W was elected the first or second time and it became a popular destination for the disenfranchised) and I have spent several Canada days (July 1) in Toronto, Montreal, Ottawa and Halifax. I've been to most of the provices. I just wish the salary scale for my specific job class was higher here in Toronto, if it were at least close I'd stay, but a 25-30k pay cut is not close in my estimation. I'm gonna give it the college try for a few more months.. then I will be returning south of the border.
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Old 09-20-2008, 03:16 AM
 
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Tell me tho mini, are winters really milder in Toronto than NYC? I dunno but something tells me Toronto looks like it could get more rain. I dunno but maybe it looks like the PNW too much lol.
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Old 10-17-2008, 07:01 PM
 
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1/4 of the influence???
more like 1/50
heck most people outside of north america probably havent even heard of toronto
toronto is nothing and i live in the suburbs
its not as important as chicago
its more like philadelphia (although toronto is bigger in population)
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