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Old 05-26-2011, 01:43 PM
 
Location: Poway, CA
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Old 05-26-2011, 01:45 PM
 
Location: Michigan--good on the rocks
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Buy a Maserati, I bet it won't have any issues (get what you pay for!).
I basically agree with what you said, except for the part above. Italian super-cars are not well known for reliability. Although I would love the chance to test that statement for accuracy.
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Old 05-26-2011, 01:54 PM
 
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Weeeeeelll I don't have any experience (weird, huh? LOL), I was just using a big expensive name as example
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Old 05-30-2011, 06:12 PM
 
Location: Northwest Indiana
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Unintended acceleration is going to happen with any brand. Most cases of unintended acceleration are likely human error not a design flaw, but most people are going to blame the car not themselves. I would like to see if the study removed driver error accidents from those studies, and looked at only the cases where is can be blamed in the car itself. My guess there is far fewer, that the car itself is the cause.
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Old 05-30-2011, 08:09 PM
 
Location: East of Seattle since 1992, 615' Elevation, Zone 8b - originally from SF Bay Area
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Luckily my cars are about 4-8 years old, with a lot of miles left on them so I don't have to buy one with electronic accelerator any time soon.
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Old 05-31-2011, 06:13 AM
 
Location: Pikesville, MD
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Unintended acceleration is going to happen with any brand. Most cases of unintended acceleration are likely human error not a design flaw, but most people are going to blame the car not themselves. I would like to see if the study removed driver error accidents from those studies, and looked at only the cases where is can be blamed in the car itself. My guess there is far fewer, that the car itself is the cause.

Yup. THis is a chart of complaints, not of actual, factual cases. As in the Audi scandal, it was proven that most people in the studies were simply pressing the wrong pedal. Most of the complaints in the OPs chart are going to be driver error, not flawed cars. And even back when Audi was under investigation, every brand had complaints.

Interestingly enough, the "fix" that the NHTSA came up with would not work if the complaints were factual. The "fix" was the shift lockout that requires your foot to be pressing the brake in order to shift out of park. If the complaints were factual, then holding the brake would not have stopped the runaway acceleration, as people had been complaining that they WERE holding the brake when it happened... the fix, then and now, proves that there wasn't a real problem with the cars, with VERY rare exceptions.
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Old 05-31-2011, 06:17 AM
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Location: MA/NH
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I still prefer the good old days when my foot actually controlled the throttle and not the computer. Electronic throttle feels too weird to me, and some of them have a microsecond delay, which makes me mash the pedal harder, and then surprise, sudden acceleration!

As to this thread topic, I wonder if people are just jumping on a bandwagon to milk the manufacturers?
I have no intentions of ever owning a car built after 1995...
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Old 05-31-2011, 06:27 AM
 
Location: New Mexico
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Unintended acceleration is going to happen with any brand. Most cases of unintended acceleration are likely human error not a design flaw, but most people are going to blame the car not themselves. I would like to see if the study removed driver error accidents from those studies, and looked at only the cases where is can be blamed in the car itself. My guess there is far fewer, that the car itself is the cause.

The unintended acceleration "problem" with Toyotas has been extensivley investigated, and no lab has been able to replicate it.

Conclusion: poor drivers are standing on their accelerators instead of their brakes.

Look around you when you're in traffic. How many poor drivers do you encounter in a typical day?

http://money.cnn.com/2011/02/08/auto...port/index.htm
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Old 05-31-2011, 07:13 AM
 
Location: Pikesville, MD
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I still prefer the good old days when my foot actually controlled the throttle and not the computer. Electronic throttle feels too weird to me, and some of them have a microsecond delay, which makes me mash the pedal harder, and then surprise, sudden acceleration!
Linkage/cable controlled carburators could have more than a microsecond delay. Old school cars could have a lot more issues with poor starting in cold weather, or icing up, or having the old, worn throttle cables stick (or have the carb linkage stick. Been there, done that). Most modern electronic engine management is so much better to live with and better running at different altitudes and better starting in all weather conditions.

Over the last 30 years I've had old cars and new ones. I much prefer the newer ones as drivers, as they are easier to live with on a daily basis. Leave the old stuff for occasional use. My daily driver is a '98 and it's about as old as I'd want for a daily, and even my toy car is a 2006. Tuning it is so much easier, and driveability is so much better.
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Old 10-04-2014, 04:31 PM
 
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Friday, October 3, 2014

A Case Study of Toyota Unintended Acceleration and Software Safety

Oct 3, 2014: updated with video of the lecture

Better Embedded System SW: A Case Study of Toyota Unintended Acceleration and Software Safety
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