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I’ve never considered an American car before, but I wanted to be open minded about your suggestion so I looked at its reliability rating, which is 3 of 5 and #7 in midsize cars.
This chart is not completely accurate at all because they also factored in the optional 1.5L & 2.0L I4 turbocharged Ecoboost together, which are not completely trouble-free engines. Only the base 2.5L I4 qualifies and offers maximum reliability. You must test-drive to appreciate...
If Ford Fusion S has its own separate reliability rating with all 2.5L engine only, I'm very, very confident that its actual correct rating would be 4 or 5 stars in first place. It has happened before in history when Ford was better than Toyota and Honda. Back in 2008-2010, Ford Fusion 4-cylinder was always rated more-reliable than Toyota Camry and Honda Accord by Consumer Reports, because of the 2.3L/2.5L engine became standard in first place. Even though sales number has declined today due to increasing popularity with (less-reliable) turbocharged engines, this same 2.5L engine is largely unchanged today after a decade later.
"... the reliability of the four-cylinder Fusion and Milan ranks higher than that of any other family sedan. Both of those Ford Motor Company products continue to beat the Honda Accord and Toyota Camry..."
It's a bad trick by biased news media today that they don't want you to ever know. If Consumer Reports has its own separate, individual reliability rating for Ford Fusion S only with 2.5L engine, you would easily see it fighting and tie with Toyota Camry being most-reliable for many years, in first place...
The 2017 Camry with the 3.5 v6 and 6-speed auto is the last solid Camry.
Thanks. I’m beginning to think that maybe I need to accept either buying a pre-owned or keep mine even though it's 20-years old and can be expensive to repair. New cars obviously aren’t as reliable today because of these weird transmissions. I guess they're the same as mutual funds and stocks - past performance is no guarantee of future results.
All I can say is that I have driven the new Camry and I liked it just fine. Sure, the new 8 speed hunts gears more than the old 6 speed, but that’s going to be true of any brand. Just imagine the ones that have 9 or 10 speeds.
I didn’t like it at all when I drove it, and I’m not a car enthusiast by any stretch. The friends that were with me didn’t like how sluggish it was on acceleration either, and he’s a mechanic. I just want a reliable car that will last 20 years at least.
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Originally Posted by Matthew_MI So glad I own a Honda, and not a Toyota.
Honda is even worse than Toyota, actually, lately, since 2017. 1.5L turbo 4 (Accord, Civic, and CR-V) currently suffers from oil dilution (gas mixed into oil), and it's currently the most-complaint of all any new vehicles on the road (Honda CR-V much, much worse than Dodge Journey, by shocking comparison).
(Yes, 2019 Toyota RAV4 is listed in here, as well as Honda CR-V. Where's Ford Escape or Ford Fusion?)
Carcomplaints.com is far more accurate than Consumer Reports, I think. We are so blessed to find this secretive website. Your favorite car brand does worse than you think it is.
A much better recommendation is the Ford Escape S with 2.5L Mazda engine, as stated in earlier posts. Like I said earlier, go Japanese is a huge waste of time now. Times have changed now...
Same here. I bought the civic coupe 2 dr 2.0 non turbo. The 1.5 Turbo only has 16 more HP than mine, not worth the trouble, extra money or worry.
Thank you. Others have told me the same thing. I need to see if I can mentally get past the whole pre-owned thing. I know they say not to buy new because of the depreciation, but that’s what I usually buy and prefer because I keep my cars forever. I also don’t have the best luck in the world. I’m afraid I’ll buy someone’s lemon, and I don’t know how they took care of it.
Brand-new Ford Fusion S starts as low as $15,999 sale during holiday events. It's in newspaper weekend ads all the time. You won't find this deal close with Toyota Camry (probably at least $22,000 sale, near invoice-price only). With the Fusion S, you actually have an advantage of depreciation factored in before dreadful Camry.
It's just me, but I would take a brand-new Fusion S than any pre-owned vehicle in a heartbeat. I highly recommend a 2020 model year to ensure myself I'm getting the highest-reliability and lowest-defect after 7 years of production from this same design.
Brand-new Ford Fusion S starts as low as $15,999 sale during holiday events. It's in newspaper weekend ads all the time. You won't find this deal close with Toyota Camry (probably at least $22,000 sale, near invoice-price only). With the Fusion S, you actually have an advantage of depreciation factored in before dreadful Camry.
It's just me, but I would take a brand-new Fusion S than any pre-owned vehicle in a heartbeat. I highly recommend a 2020 model year to ensure myself I'm getting the highest-reliability and lowest-defect after 7 years of production from this same design.
Good luck with your decision...
There is a reason why similarly equipped Toyota costs more. Think about it!
I’ve never considered an American car before, but I wanted to be open minded about your suggestion so I looked at its reliability rating, which is 3 of 5 and #7 in midsize cars.
Toyota Camry is 4 of 5 in reliability and #1 in midsize cars, which initially didn't make sense to me because of all the transmission complaints for the 2018-2019 models.
However, I then realized JD Power’s 2019 study measures problems in model year 2016 vehicles! Since Camry’s problems began with the 2018-2019 models, this is useless information since I want a new car. It will be interesting to see where Toyota is when they do their 2021 survey. Honda used to be #3 on their list, and it’s dropped significantly.
Driveability and reliability don’t always go hand in hand. I may hate the way a transmission shifts or the way an engine sounds, but that doesn’t mean the vehicle is unreliable. At the same time, it’s possible to love everything about the way a car drives, yet it be a big POS that stays in the shop all the time.
There is a reason why similarly equipped Toyota costs more. Think about it!
Toyota Camry no longer holds its resale-value compare to 20 years ago. Sedan sales are declining yearly, a lot of Camrys were sold to fleets, and price is expensive to buy. Wholesale auction value is only $2,000 difference between Fusion and Camry for fleet markets.
Toyota Camry no longer holds its resale-value compare to 20 years ago. Sedan sales are declining yearly, a lot of Camrys were sold to fleets, and price is expensive to buy. Wholesale auction value is only $2,000 difference between Fusion and Camry for fleet markets.
Camry buyers think otherwise:
Camry: 2018 Sales - 343,439 units
2019 Sales - 203,142 units
Fusion: 2018 Sales - 173,600 units
2019 Sales - 96,351 units
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