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Old 12-15-2021, 04:50 PM
 
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The 2022 Lexus NX will be next year's plug in hybrid and an 18.1 kWh battery (same as Prius Prime)

The 5th generation Prius allegedly debuts in December 2022.

Sales for first 9 months of 2021
  • 23,258 COROLLA hybrid; From $23,650
  • 28,631 PRIUS full hybrid; From $24,525
  • 22,407 PRIUS Prime plug in hybrid; From $28,220

Presumably the 5th generation Prius will have RAV4 Prime's 18.1-kWh battery (unless it is too heavy)
  • 2022 Toyota Prius/Curb weight 3,010 to 3,220 lbs
  • 2022 Toyota Prius Prime/Curb weight 3,365 to 3,375 lbs w/ 18.1 kWh battery
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  • 2022 Toyota RAV4 LE with front-wheel drive/Curb weight 3,370 pounds.
  • 2022 Toyota RAV4 Hybrid/Curb weight 3,690 to 3,780 lbs
  • 2022 Toyota RAV4 Prime/Curb weight 4,235 to 4,300 lbs w/ 8.8 kWh battery

Many people thought there may not be a 5th generation Prius since they have a hybrid Corolla. However, the Prius has a famous name, and more practically it has twice the trunk space of the Prius, and the seats fold down.
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Old 12-16-2021, 11:53 AM
 
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The 2022 Lexus NX will be next year's plug in hybrid and an 18.1 kWh battery (same as Prius Prime)

The 5th generation Prius allegedly debuts in December 2022.

Sales for first 9 months of 2021
  • 23,258 COROLLA hybrid; From $23,650
  • 28,631 PRIUS full hybrid; From $24,525
  • 22,407 PRIUS Prime plug in hybrid; From $28,220

Presumably the 5th generation Prius will have RAV4 Prime's 18.1-kWh battery (unless it is too heavy)
  • 2022 Toyota Prius/Curb weight 3,010 to 3,220 lbs
  • 2022 Toyota Prius Prime/Curb weight 3,365 to 3,375 lbs w/ 18.1 kWh battery
    .
  • 2022 Toyota RAV4 LE with front-wheel drive/Curb weight 3,370 pounds.
  • 2022 Toyota RAV4 Hybrid/Curb weight 3,690 to 3,780 lbs
  • 2022 Toyota RAV4 Prime/Curb weight 4,235 to 4,300 lbs w/ 8.8 kWh battery

Many people thought there may not be a 5th generation Prius since they have a hybrid Corolla. However, the Prius has a famous name, and more practically it has twice the trunk space of the Prius, and the seats fold down.
Why, why, why????!!!!
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Old 12-16-2021, 12:10 PM
 
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It would maybe make more sense if the Prius became just a plugin vehicle, maybe with a range extender option.
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Old 12-16-2021, 08:23 PM
 
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It would maybe make more sense if the Prius became just a plugin vehicle ...
I agree with this strategy. Toyota has full hybrid priced both above and below the Prius, and possibly converting 2023 Prius to only PHEV will encourage more sales of Corolla and Camry hybrids.

2022 Toyota Corolla Hybrid/MSRP From $23,650 | In first 9 months of 2021 10.7% were purchased with hybrid options
2022 Toyota Prius/MSRP From $24,525
2022 Toyota Camry Hybrid/MSRP From $27,380 | In first 9 months of 2021 14.3% were purchased with hybrid options

If they bump the Prius Prime to the 18.1 kWh used in Toyota/Lexus's other two PHEVs, and can keep the price under $30K, that would a valuable addition to their strategy to have an affordable long range PHEV
  • 2022 Toyota RAV4/Curb weight 3,370 to 3,655 lbs
  • 2022 Toyota RAV4 Hybrid/Curb weight 3,690 to 3,780 lbs
  • 2022 Toyota RAV4 Prime/Curb weight 4,235 to 4,300 lbs (18.1 kWh - 42 miles)
    .
  • 2022 Toyota Prius/Curb weight 3,010 to 3,220 lbs
  • 2022 Toyota Prius Prime/Curb weight 3,365 to 3,375 lbs (8.8 kWh - 25 miles)

The Honda Clarity PHEV Models ( Base price: $34,395) have ended Production: EV-only range: 47 miles

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... maybe with a range extender option.
My understanding is that range extenders are very heavy and hence have a high cost per mile. Mazda MX-30 is a BEV with only 100 miles of range, and an optional range extender should be introduced next year.
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Old 03-22-2022, 12:20 PM
 
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Originally Posted by PacoMartin View Post
I agree with this strategy. Toyota has full hybrid priced both above and below the Prius, and possibly converting 2023 Prius to only PHEV will encourage more sales of Corolla and Camry hybrids.

2022 Toyota Corolla Hybrid/MSRP From $23,650 | In first 9 months of 2021 10.7% were purchased with hybrid options
2022 Toyota Prius/MSRP From $24,525
2022 Toyota Camry Hybrid/MSRP From $27,380 | In first 9 months of 2021 14.3% were purchased with hybrid options

If they bump the Prius Prime to the 18.1 kWh used in Toyota/Lexus's other two PHEVs, and can keep the price under $30K, that would a valuable addition to their strategy to have an affordable long range PHEV
  • 2022 Toyota RAV4/Curb weight 3,370 to 3,655 lbs
  • 2022 Toyota RAV4 Hybrid/Curb weight 3,690 to 3,780 lbs
  • 2022 Toyota RAV4 Prime/Curb weight 4,235 to 4,300 lbs (18.1 kWh - 42 miles)
    .
  • 2022 Toyota Prius/Curb weight 3,010 to 3,220 lbs
  • 2022 Toyota Prius Prime/Curb weight 3,365 to 3,375 lbs (8.8 kWh - 25 miles)

The Honda Clarity PHEV Models ( Base price: $34,395) have ended Production: EV-only range: 47 miles


My understanding is that range extenders are very heavy and hence have a high cost per mile. Mazda MX-30 is a BEV with only 100 miles of range, and an optional range extender should be introduced next year.
prime with a 18.1 is going to be nowhere near "under 30". im guessing closer to 40...and with current dealer markups on a prime, closer to 50
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Old 03-22-2022, 03:12 PM
 
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Maybe this time they will call upon a designer to make it less ugly for the first time.
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Old 03-23-2022, 04:23 PM
 
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prime with a 18.1 is going to be nowhere near "under 30". im guessing closer to 40...and with current dealer markups on a prime, closer to 50
Dunno about under 30k but it might be close.

The 18.1 is slightly less than double the capacity of the 8.8 on the existing Prime. The existing Prime is $2,385 more expensive than Prius, (Prius LE to Prime LE). Now, that said with an 18.8 you'd probably also want to see some additional upgrades to the drivetrain in the form a more potent electrical motor which would add additional cost. As it is the Prius Prime is even slower than the regular Prius as it's using a nearly identical other than a sprag-type clutch that enables MG1 and MG2 to both drive the wheels, but only in EV mode so the combined power is unchanged.


Moving to at least having an optional AWD setup like on the RAV4 Prime would be a nice thing but obviously that would be more expensive, probably around $35k. Simply going to the 18.1 pack if you doubled the extra $2,385 would take the Prius Prime from $28,2000 to $30,605. But EVs are all seem to be shooting up in price on supply constrains. With more EVs being built it seems to be pushing up the price for batteries up rather than down. My guess is that if the next gen Prius Prime won't necessarily make sense as it's currently built. Right now Toyotas got the take credits and gubmint subsidies mean the Prime is a bit over $2,000 cheaper than the regular Prius, hence why so many people are buying it. While it is a bit slower and has a bit less cargo space, a cool $2,000 off is probably worth it so most buyers who can tax advantage of the tax credit do so. Those who don't pay taxes and thus cannot buy the regular one. I'd take the Prime for that reason over the regular. But Toyota has to be pretty close to running out of gubmint credits which personally I don't think will be extended. There's just other things that will take priority over subsidizing car purchases for the middle-class.
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Old 03-23-2022, 05:43 PM
 
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@ $35k I personally would just go with a Camry Hybrid. I kinda wish I went for one over my current Prius.
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Old 03-24-2022, 06:05 AM
 
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It would maybe make more sense if the Prius became just a plugin vehicle, maybe with a range extender option.
The scoop from a Japanese web site seems to indicate that radical change to a BEV is not planned.


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Oh ... oh ... the new Prius is coming out with an astonishing look !! The next model will be announced at the end of 2022 with a "hidden ball"

 The Prius is the world's first mass-produced hybrid vehicle and the driving force behind the spread of the term "hybrid car." Since the first model that appeared in 1997, which caused a whirlwind with the catch phrase "in time for the 21st century," the number of units sold has gradually increased and it has become a top seller. The current model currently on sale will be the fourth generation that appeared in 2015. Six years have passed since the announcement of the current model (because of the background of the end of the model), and in December 2022, which is 25 years since the first model appeared, the Prius will be baton-touched to the next model 5th generation model. Is included. What was shocking was the front mask reported at this time. Really. Does it really come out with such a "face"?

 The new Prius, the most notable point is of course the characteristic front mask. When this information came in, there was a scream in the editorial department (Toyota related sources have some confidence), but successive Prius have emphasized "to know at a glance" that it is a car equipped with advanced technology ".

 Considering such an aim, I am convinced that it is possible ...

 That's why the next Prius follows the strong design of the current early model (the style and concept are refined of the current model), the hybrid system will be an evolved version from the third generation, and the plug-in hybrid will continue. ( This may be a "premium grade existence" like the Lexus NX rather than a "powerful direction" like the RAV4 PHV), the platform is likely to be the TNGA-C, which is an improved version of the current model. At the time of its appearance, it seems that it will be a relatively solid full model change.

I think "this is solid ...?", But considering Toyota's recent "attacking creed" and the evolution of the signboard model Prius, it can be said to be the default route.

 On the other hand, the Prius is not only a pioneer of hybrid cars, but also has an astonishing hidden ball in the next Prius, just as it was a lineup of high-impact models in the past. It is equipped with a hydrogen engine.

 Toyota has the idea that carbon neutral should be viewed not only in EV but also in the long-term overall CO2 emissions, as President Akio Toyoda stated in the official forum., We are developing power trains in multiple directions. One of them is the hydrogen engine that is currently installed in Corolla and is challenging the Super Taikyu race.

 Similar to fuel cell vehicles, hydrogen engines have the advantage of zero CO2 emissions during driving and many common parts with existing internal combustion engine engines (factory equipment and developers currently making internal combustion engines)., Many parts can be diverted. Especially the problem of employment and factory is big). However, on the other hand, it is also true that there are issues such as supply methods such as infrastructure and hydrogen production methods. Toyota is currently developing to solve each of these problems, but if the first mass . -produced car is the "Prius," its advertising effect will be outstanding.

That's why the next Prius follows the strong design of the current early model (the style and concept are refined of the current model), the hybrid system will be an evolved version from the third generation, and the plug-in hybrid will continue. (This may be a "premium grade existence" like the Lexus NX rather than a "powerful direction" like the RAV4 PHV), the platform is likely to be the TNGA-C, which is an improved version of the current model. At the time of its appearance, it seems that it will be a relatively solid full model change.
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Old 04-02-2022, 05:01 AM
 
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Default Prius Prime sales dropping badlly

First quarter sales of the Prius Prime (25 miles electric only) are dropping badly

2021 sales
57.6% Prius
42.4% Prius Prime

2022 sales first quarter
74.8% Prius: 7,692 UP FROM 7,051 last year
25.2% Prius Prime: 2,586 DOWN FROM 6,999 last year

First quarter sales of the RAV4 Prime (25 miles electric only) have nearly doubled
RAV4 Prime: 5,233 UP FROM 2,792 last year

Toyota has long maintained that PHEV vehicles reduce global green house gases as much as battery EVs when a total analysis from mining to manufacturing is calculated.
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