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Old 04-14-2010, 07:15 AM
 
Location: Metro Washington DC
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On the one hand, if a vehicle comes equipped with stability control, it bloody well ought to work. On the other, to call a vehicle "dangerous" because it doesn't sufficiently babysit the driver is alarmist nonsense.
Agreed. That's one reason, among many, many others, I don't bother with CR.
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Old 04-14-2010, 08:42 AM
 
Location: Central Texas
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I believe the year Yaris CR tested was before it had stability control. Even so, I did not exhibit the tail slide nearly as bad.

One question I have is if CR tested more than one of them. Could it have possibly been a problem eith the ESC system on the tested vehicle only?
The Yaris is STILL not a recommended vehicle. It was criticized for poor ride and handling and many other things not related to ESC.

Re the Lexus GX - the CR video says they tested two vehicles and both behaved the same.
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Old 04-14-2010, 08:46 AM
 
Location: Central Texas
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That like saying that Cadillacs are just Chevy's with leather seats and Lincolns are just Fords with leather seats. We know that these statements aren't true.
Lincoln is far closer to Ford than Lexus is to Toyota. There are ZERO Lincolns that are not based on a comparable Ford.

Navigator = overweight and gadget infested Expedition
Aviator = loaded Explorer
MKX = Edge
MKZ = Taurus (although the MKZ had Ecoboost first)
Towncar = Crown Vic
MKT = Flex
MKS = Fusion

Lincoln has no engines unique to itself, while Lexus engines are almost always more powerful than Toyota.
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Old 04-14-2010, 06:34 PM
 
Location: Murfreesboro, TN
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The Yaris is STILL not a recommended vehicle. It was criticized for poor ride and handling and many other things not related to ESC.

Re the Lexus GX - the CR video says they tested two vehicles and both behaved the same.
Regarding the Yaris...I was replying to a comment made about it's "emergency handling" only.

Well, if they did get the same results with two, then Toyota has messed up yet again.
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Old 04-14-2010, 07:32 PM
 
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i saw one of these models on the road today and took a good look. its certainly not the type of vehicle to be driven aggressively in turns and bends. the video looks as if the driver / tester just robbed a bank and is trying to make a get away. should simply "easing" up on the throttle in a turn cause it to lose control, stability system or not? i would say looking at the thing you might even expect it to lose control. should it ROLL over? it just might, i would think

the vehicle looks top heavy to me. i'm no engineer obviously, but it has tall glass and what appears to be a "high" roof in relation to its belt line. just looking at the monstrosity would suggest to drive it carefully, not aggressively enough to roll it

but if it COULD roll, the question must be asked. and that is why would anyone sell a vehicle that even might roll in certain situations under what many would consider "normal" driving. even if you did take that turn just a little too fast. is it absolutely necessary to sell a vehicle which might roll when taking a corner at what in a car would be considered a safe speed? and with all the choices out there, does anyone really need or want a vehicle which "might" get you hurt or killed in otherwise normal driving situations?

on and on it goes. i think this has some merit, but on the other hand.....just drive safely according to the limits of your vehicle, everyone
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