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Old 07-28-2007, 07:06 PM
 
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I have always wanted to travel to Russia ever since I started reading about it at age 13. As I got older(age 17, 18), I started hearing reports about Russia and how Blacks(especially African students who traveled, and even an African-American marine was attacked in a market while off duty in Moscow.) there are often subjected to Neo-nazi sinkhead attacks and abuse from the police(much more so than in other European nations). As a black man this raises many concers because from what I have heard and read, a large number of these attacks are fatal and little is being done about it(from what I see). Is there any way a black person could travel to Russia safely(particularly Moscow, St. Petersburg, Volgograd, Rostov, Torzhok, Novgorod(not to be confused with Nizhniy Novgorod))? How are areas in Siberia and the Arctic as far as safety goes(Vladivostok, Krasnoyarsk, Novosibirsk, Nakhodka, Yakutsk, Magadan, Murmansk)? What are some safety tips for traveling to Russia(specifically what I am concerned about)? Any insight is welcomed and needed.
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Old 07-29-2007, 11:08 AM
 
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Old 07-29-2007, 10:27 PM
 
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I worked in Russia for 6 months, about 20 years ago, so any information I provide you is "dated info". I worked a fiber optics and microwave telecom contract job in the western Siberia oil field areas. I am not black, but some of my co-workers were black men from the US or North Africa. I never heard of anything bad that happened to them besides a few rude remarks made by a drunk in a bar or maybe poor service at a restaurant. But hey, in Russia at that time, most service in a restaurant was pretty bad.

I would think that tourists of any race or background need to think about their personal safety when visiting large cities like Moscow, St Petersburg, etc. I don't know exactly how many race hate attacks have occurred in those places, but I would bet that the typical petty theft crimes that can occur in any big tourist city outnumber those 1000 to 1.

The politics have changed a lot in 20 years, but my general impression is that I don't think there would be a lot of hostility to be concerned about. This will be especially true the further from European Russia you travel. There are all sorts of ethnic groups that live in or travel though Siberia and the Russian Far East. Chinese, Mongolians, Kazakhs, dozens of native peoples of the Arctic and far north and Russian Far east. Your will hear many different languages besides Russian, and people generally get along OK with Russian as their common way to communicate with other peoples. I highly recommend learning basic Russian (speaking and reading) if you are going to travel on your own, it will help you avoid 90+ percent of the problems described in your original post. People in Russia are in general, quite hospitable and friendly, especially if you know enough Russian to carry on a conversation. Good luck.
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Old 07-30-2007, 07:16 AM
 
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Things have changed in that time frame.
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Old 07-30-2007, 02:32 PM
 
Location: CCCP, Irkutsk
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I'm from Russia, Irkutsk (Baikal Lake). My english it's bad, i write in russian about my country, you translate to english?
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Old 07-30-2007, 05:13 PM
 
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Yora,

Your English so far is fine. Please note that English if the only language currently allowed on the forums.
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Old 07-30-2007, 11:04 PM
 
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I too have read about the severe racism that minorities, as tourists, students and residents, have faced in Russia in recent years and how the situation is only gettting worse and seems to not be of great concern to the powers-that-be. The power of Google uncovers horrible accounts from people of color within Russia since the collapse of the U.S.S.R. when there was a great deal of precedence placed on equality in all of it's forms, including racial equality and tolerance.

I don't really know what to suggest for someone visiting Russia who is not white (for the record, there's been numerous attacks on people from Asia and the Middle East, and Jews as well). I mean, it's sort of an odd question if you think about it; "how do I avoid being attacked by racists?". I don't know. What CAN you do really? It's not like you can change your skin color. Of course, even with the racial climate as it is in Russia, I'm sure the overwhelming majority of visitors don't experience any serious racial abuse (I'm sure just do to the dearth of blacks, stares and perhaps ignorant questions should be expected) so it shouldn't dissuade you from visiting a country you have a strong interest in. However, I just think you should exercise common sense as you would in this country. If you see a group of angry looking young men staring at you, remove yourself from the situation as quickly as possible. Do not get involved in any sort of confrontations. I'd stay away from areas with large concentrations of young men who may be drinking. The best thing you can do really is to just be aware of your surroundings.
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Old 07-31-2007, 03:00 AM
 
Location: CCCP, Irkutsk
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If in Russia simple people name you the Negro, to take offence it is not necessary, usual people will not name you the Afro-American because so
here always speak also anything bad have no in view of. Here if you will name "chernojopui" (black ass) it means that to you badly concern because of your color. Actually to africans here tolerantly concern.

In my city area lives afro-american men, he have russian wife and mulat daughter, normal live. People from China study in my city.

Do not love here people from Caucasus (hmmm... arabian face, chechenci, dagestanci, ingushi) and former Transcaucasian republics (azerbaidjanci and other). Because they do not observe laws and norms of decency. Even to the same Tadjiks, Uzbeks, Kazakhs here concern easy, because they work fairly. Bad names caucasian mens name "chernojopui", "churka", "zver" (animal).

Caucasian which here come form the closed diasporas and are engaged in criminal affairs (drugs, weapon, a casino, simply gangsterism and robbery), but there are also those who simply fairly works and lives with family. But in any case to caucasian here the attitude bad.

Let's admit all the gipsy (ALL) anyhow are involved in drugs (narcotics) business (drugs barons).

2 August holiday of the russian commando (Russian Airborne Troops day) is for example marked, all caucasian this day sit houses, in the markets do not trade, on streets do not go, because russian comando fight the Caucasian men, bathe in fountains and drink vodka (tradition already). Authorities (administration) close eyes to it, the police too, people to it concerns well.

Nazi last years it became valid much (especially in european part of the country, ST. Peterburg city, Voronej city), it is original subculture, their people does not love, because fascism it is bad and our traditions of it do not allow. There where tourists them go is not present. In the country it is a lot of Chineses (in my city), earlier they were engaged all in more trade, but in the last time they work on buildind industry (builders)

If I have arrived to Russia and was black, I would began to be afraid nazi, youngs gangsters ("gopnik"), caucasus bandits, and russian police patrol " gopnik in the law "))) People do not love russian police ("milicia"), bad name "musor" (rubbish, dust, trash), "ment".

In general that in the country to all races concern tolerantly while those do not start to strike at the right of indigenous population (Russian people).

But it is not necessary to think that at us here the country of nazis and gangsters, it is a little of them, but they are, and about it small write the western newspapers. Usual people with you will be always polite and hospitable. In youngs peoples it is a lot of rappers, skaiters, rockers, bikers, gotic, emo, cyberpunks and other subcultures.

To learn truthful Russia it is necessary to go not to tourist cities, and in usual cities, to talt with simple people, go on the nature. Moscow this is Babylon (russian New York), money, money, money. Many Russian for fun name Moscow the another country.


At us very beautiful girls so be not surprised.

P.S: Sorry for my bad, bad english
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Old 08-01-2007, 02:09 PM
 
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Just a tip, if you don't look Russian.. don't hang out in the Moscow metros past sundown.
Skinheads are rampant.
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Old 08-02-2007, 07:30 AM
 
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If in Russia simple people name you the Negro, to take offence it is not necessary, usual people will not name you the Afro-American because so
here always speak also anything bad have no in view of. Here if you will name "chernojopui" (black ass) it means that to you badly concern because of your color. Actually to africans here tolerantly concern.

In my city area lives afro-american men, he have russian wife and mulat daughter, normal live. People from China study in my city.

Do not love here people from Caucasus (hmmm... arabian face, chechenci, dagestanci, ingushi) and former Transcaucasian republics (azerbaidjanci and other). Because they do not observe laws and norms of decency. Even to the same Tadjiks, Uzbeks, Kazakhs here concern easy, because they work fairly. Bad names caucasian mens name "chernojopui", "churka", "zver" (animal).

Caucasian which here come form the closed diasporas and are engaged in criminal affairs (drugs, weapon, a casino, simply gangsterism and robbery), but there are also those who simply fairly works and lives with family. But in any case to caucasian here the attitude bad.

Let's admit all the gipsy (ALL) anyhow are involved in drugs (narcotics) business (drugs barons).

2 August holiday of the russian commando (Russian Airborne Troops day) is for example marked, all caucasian this day sit houses, in the markets do not trade, on streets do not go, because russian comando fight the Caucasian men, bathe in fountains and drink vodka (tradition already). Authorities (administration) close eyes to it, the police too, people to it concerns well.

Nazi last years it became valid much (especially in european part of the country, ST. Peterburg city, Voronej city), it is original subculture, their people does not love, because fascism it is bad and our traditions of it do not allow. There where tourists them go is not present. In the country it is a lot of Chineses (in my city), earlier they were engaged all in more trade, but in the last time they work on buildind industry (builders)

If I have arrived to Russia and was black, I would began to be afraid nazi, youngs gangsters ("gopnik"), caucasus bandits, and russian police patrol " gopnik in the law "))) People do not love russian police ("milicia"), bad name "musor" (rubbish, dust, trash), "ment".

In general that in the country to all races concern tolerantly while those do not start to strike at the right of indigenous population (Russian people).

But it is not necessary to think that at us here the country of nazis and gangsters, it is a little of them, but they are, and about it small write the western newspapers. Usual people with you will be always polite and hospitable. In youngs peoples it is a lot of rappers, skaiters, rockers, bikers, gotic, emo, cyberpunks and other subcultures.

To learn truthful Russia it is necessary to go not to tourist cities, and in usual cities, to talt with simple people, go on the nature. Moscow this is Babylon (russian New York), money, money, money. Many Russian for fun name Moscow the another country.


At us very beautiful girls so be not surprised.

P.S: Sorry for my bad, bad english

How safe would it be for me to travel to Murmansk, Magadan,Yakutsk, Irkutsk, Akademgorodok, Novosibirsk, or Vladivostok?
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