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Yes, but much more control over closeness, if you are driving versus flying.
Tourism/vacation/travel usually means crowds. Unless your vacation is camping or something I'm skeptical you'll have as much control over distance in tourist areas than you think, assuming tourism has opened up again.
If you are currently gone from USA, coming back for furlough will likely result in up to 24month ban from countries who do not trust USA medical care and results.
Who has banned anyone for 24 months because of this (granted made up) distrust of US medical care? USA is regarded as among the best medical treatment in the world.
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Originally Posted by StealthRabbit
I survived SARS and MERS while living / working in Asia.
SARS was totally different, it was primarily in China and Hong Kong. It didn't have much an impact in most other Asian countries other than a few hundred cases in Singapore and Taiwan. MERS was only an issue in South Korea, and even there it was only a couple hundred cases.
"Survived" is being a bit overdramatic in wording here.
Tourism/vacation/travel usually means crowds. Unless your vacation is camping or something I'm skeptical you'll have as much control over distance in tourist areas than you think, assuming tourism has opened up again.
We would avoid the huge tourist areas. Airports and airplanes will be the main problem for the summer and fall.
July at 50 percent
September at 65 percent
November at 80 percent
February 2021 back to 'new normal'
New normal will be corporate travel is reduced about 20 percent across the board
Leisure travel will be reduced about 30 percent but likely become a much better experience for those that do.
The failure of gateway cities like NYC/ BOS /CHI/ LA / SFO / Seattle /Denver / DFW etc to properly implement quarantine type secure at home policies will delay travel recuperation due to their air travel city status.
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If given the option during current pandemic... I will follow the stats and let the USA 'sort out' their superior medical services (for those who can afford it)
NYC 55,000 confirmed cases, 802 deaths (27 March 2020) 27k ppl / Sq mi
Singapore (with 74% Chinese population and one of the very first areas affected outside China) 802 confirmed cases, 2 deaths (28 March 2020) 20,000 ppl / sq mi
Thailand 1247 confirmed cases; 6 deaths
USA had 4-6 weeks of EXPERIENCE to glean from others, and prepare a sound and secure resolution.
Seems to have really helped their quick and thorough response and effective results.
We (USA) know very little at this point. 6 weeks will tell a very different tale. (let's hope it's scores improve !)
NYC 55,000 confirmed cases, 802 deaths (27 March 2020) 27k ppl / Sq mi
Singapore (with 74% Chinese population and one of the very first areas affected outside China) 802 confirmed cases, 2 deaths (28 March 2020) 20,000 ppl / sq mi
Thailand 1247 confirmed cases; 6 deaths
There are a lot more factors that go into this calculus than you are using including rate of spread and how it's affected by weather and viability of some of the methods being used given the scale. Singapore has been aggressively tracking down all contacts for every known person that is impacted and since it's a city state it's only outside influences are international, while New York is just one part of a much bigger country with land borders in every direction and greater domestic/intl transit where the scale makes this impossible.
What about lifestyle factors? No matter how good the treatment is, an obese or diabetic patient will have a much more grim prognosis than someone with no prexisting conditions.
Obesity rates
Singapore 6%
Thailand 10%
United States 36%
Diabetes Prevalence
Singapore 5.5%
Thailand 7%
United States 10.8%
Interestingly some of those very measures Singapore and Thailand have taken would prevent you from going there to seek treatment, since they have both banned all short term visitors.
Bottom line if you want to use deaths/cases as a "score" to prove who has better healthcare note fatality rate per cases:
Kazakhstan 0.35%
Nigeria 0.88%
Uruguay 0.33%
Ivory Coast 0.61%
Sri Lanka 0.86%
Moldova 0.76%
Armenia 0.71%
Bolivia 1.2%
France 6.4%
UK 6.3%
Sweden 3.0%
Japan 3.0%
Do you really believe the healthcare is better in that first group of countries than the second? Ghana scores higher than Belgium, have you ever seen a hospital in Ghana?
There are a lot more factors that go into this calculus than you are using including rate of spread and how it's affected by weather and viability of some of the methods being used given the scale. Singapore has been aggressively tracking down all contacts for every known person that is impacted and since it's a city state it's only outside influences are international, while New York is just one part of a much bigger country with land borders in every direction and greater domestic/intl transit where the scale makes this impossible.
What about lifestyle factors? No matter how good the treatment is, an obese or diabetic patient will have a much more grim prognosis than someone with no prexisting conditions.
Obesity rates
Singapore 6%
Thailand 10%
United States 36%
Diabetes Prevalence
Singapore 5.5%
Thailand 7%
United States 10.8%
Interestingly some of those very measures Singapore and Thailand have taken would prevent you from going there to seek treatment, since they have both banned all short term visitors.
Bottom line if you want to use deaths/cases as a "score" to prove who has better healthcare note fatality rate per cases:
Kazakhstan 0.35%
Nigeria 0.88%
Uruguay 0.33%
Ivory Coast 0.61%
Sri Lanka 0.86%
Moldova 0.76%
Armenia 0.71%
Bolivia 1.2%
France 6.4%
UK 6.3%
Sweden 3.0%
Japan 3.0%
Do you really believe the healthcare is better in that first group of countries than the second? Ghana scores higher than Belgium, have you ever seen a hospital in Ghana?
Right. There are a lot of factors, you can't just pick one or two.
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As for adding conditions.
For the low death rate countries...
Be sure to add...
1) date of first test
2) rate of transmission (including daily count of incoming travelers from high risk countries since date of first spread) + community spread
3) number tested in that country / million
4) rate of testing (is it higher than transmission? Definitely not in some of those countries)
5) factors limiting / capping testing (available test kits /available medical staff / access to either by general population.)
6) population density and distribution (seems to have radical impact on pandemic spread)
I know where I would rather be getting my covid-19 HC if given the choice.
NYC or USA is not in my top desired options.
YMMV, that's fine, everyone is free to declare their chosen kingdom. We all will go out bodily horizontal, on this current Earthship. 1000's did so today. There are a few hours left in today to join them.
If I were getting my care in one of the countries who have already proven capable of managing Covid-19, I would be less likely to exit horizontally.
USA HC system has yet to be tested to that level.
6 weeks down the road we'll know more data on their success with managing Covid-19. Stay tuned.
142,356 : 2493. Appears better than some countries, (but USA is far behind accurate reporting of these ratios due to very minimal testing)
We'll see how she washed out.
Hope to see improvement in actual results, not propped up statistics.
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