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John wouldn't have had to be a pedophile. He could have just been involved with a ring of pedophiles just the way men go to conferences and are asked if they would like to be provided with an "escort", some would rather have a child for sex. He could have been involved in passing her around. Not for money but to make deals.
A poster named BlueCrabs case for BDI is quite compelling. it could explain the juvenile ransom note, and a lot of kids have been known to sexually experiment with their siblings at quite early ages.
Problem is, I dont know, I just always thought Burke to be immature for his age- and not smart enough to have penned the note. and would he really know how to go about performing erotic asphyxiation, which is Im sure was the reason for the ligature.
But it does stand to reason if BDI- his parents would cover for him due to their social standing- that would never do having such an ugly thing as incest in the family. it wouldn't be something the Rams would want people knowing. not to mention him killing her.
When I first heard of the case, right after it happened, I thought it could have been Burke. I could see a motive--jealously of all the attention his sister got and having a sexy little sister parading around the house.
He couldn't have written that note though, not at 11 years old. That's 5th grade and the writing doesn't look like a kid's writing. The content is probably beyond that of a 5th grader too.
As far as the scream at 2am--is anyone positive they heard it? That would mean she was not dead when they brought her home from the party. But if she HAD been dead when they brought her home, they could have spent the rest of the night writing the note and staging the scene. I don't think they would have known how to stage the scene and I don't think they owned a stun gun though so this goes round and round and round. (why would anyone have needed a stun gun if she was already dead?)
John wouldn't have had to be a pedophile. He could have just been involved with a ring of pedophiles just the way men go to conferences and are asked if they would like to be provided with an "escort", some would rather have a child for sex. He could have been involved in passing her around. Not for money but to make deals.
I don't think I believe it but it could be.
that's right, with the pimped out/pedophile ring theory John doesnt neccassarily have to have been involved in the sex abuse.
I don't know what's more likely statistic wise, if parents that are involved in the rings abuse their children as well as let others abuse them.
.. she was still wetting the bed at age 6, and taking off in the night to Burkes room quite regularly, and even soiling the bed. that in itself, could be a sign of abuse.
As far as the scream at 2am--is anyone positive they heard it?
I thought it was more around midnight> and I think two neighbours heard it. one was Melanie Stanton iirc, but she later changed what she originally said. I forget who the other neighbour was, without looking up.
What do people think of Johns other son and the semen blanket and the Dr Suess book? irrelevant?
How do you know he wasn't into it sooner? he may have molested all of his female children, he had other daughters from a previous marriage.
People tend to think of pedophiles as 'dirty old men' and while that might be the case in some cases, its not neccassarily something exclusive to older males. young guys are into it too.
My point was that pedophiles aren't just dirty old men......they almost always start in their teens.
I can't imagine John keeping something like that quiet for nearly 40 years......with not even one of his earlier victims coming forward after JonBenet was killed. Not even one person coming forward with suspicions. Not one.
Pedophilia isn't something that you can turn on and off like a faucet.
A pedophile may have killed JonBenet, but if that is what happened, I don't think a pedophilia ring or John and Patsy were involved. It would have been one, lone pedophile who got into that house and laid in wait for his chance to get at JonBenet.
My point was that pedophiles aren't just dirty old men......they almost always start in their teens.
I can't imagine John keeping something like that quiet for nearly 40 years......with not even one of his earlier victims coming forward after JonBenet was killed. Not even one person coming forward with suspicions. Not one.
Pedophilia isn't something that you can turn on and off like a faucet.
A pedophile may have killed JonBenet, but if that is what happened, I don't think a pedophilia ring or John and Patsy were involved. It would have been one, lone pedophile who got into that house and laid in wait for his chance to get at JonBenet.
I agree with your point, sorry I missed what your point was.
- there are lots of reasons people wouldnt have come forward, as I mentioned in a previous post. Covering up within families happens.
'staging within staging' one detective said. forget who, maybe Steve Thomas. if a random pedophile did it, why stage anything at all. why the rambling note? that intruder sure knew where everything was in the house, if that is indeed the case. all in the dead of night, he kills a child, maybe moved her body and staged an elaborate phony kidnapping scene- having the time and freedom to write a rambling ransom note, and even having a practice shot at it. that is just not really plausible imo.
I'm sure that they were involved in some bizarre sex cult.
I agree with everything you have said Sheena! weird the Rams would be involved in something so lower middle class/povo class to begin with. but I don't think it was some bizzare cult, more a pedophile ring.
Well, I think a "pedophile ring" and a "bizarre sex cult" are pretty much synonymous, at least to my mind.
As to the beauty pageants, they have become more flamboyant since Jonbent's involvement, but the contestants and their families are quite the same.
Blue color, working class lower middle class and marginally middle class people who do this as a diversion from their hum drum lives and, because they incorrectly think that this could lead to fame and fortune for their daughters and themselves.
PR was a social climber. It is completely out of character for her to be involved in this once, much less many times.
I did not read the Ramsey's book, but I did scan some passages in it. Patsy complained about the "PC" attitudes in Boulder as opposed to Atlanta, and that people in Colorado frowned on her many fur coats where as in Atlanta they were impressed by them. (I read this a long time ago, but that was the gist of it)
Patsy definitely liked bling, and perhaps had an attraction to things that were declasse.
Even the names that she chose for her children - especially the made-up "Jonbenet", reflect her hillbilly roots. Traditional names would be expected in a Conservative and wealthy family such as the Ramseys.
I think Patsy was an angry woman who demanded attention. She was not getting the attention that she craved in Colorado. No one can deny that the Ramsey's had a rather odd circle of friends, of a variety of ages and that some of them were a little "off".
I'm thinking especially of the Santa Clause impersonator. Didn't he also write the play based upon the murder of Sylvia Likens, which also took place in a basement? Or was that another friend?
I agree with your point, sorry I missed what your point was.
- there are lots of reasons people wouldnt have come forward, as I mentioned in a previous post. Covering up within families happens.
'staging within staging' one detective said. forget who, maybe Steve Thomas. if a random pedophile did it, why stage anything at all. why the rambling note? that intruder sure knew where everything was in the house, if that is indeed the case. all in the dead of night, he kills a child, maybe moved her body and staged an elaborate phony kidnapping scene- having the time and freedom to write a rambling ransom note, and even having a practice shot at it. that is just not really plausible imo.
The strange maze like layout of the house and the excruciating length the killer was in the house makes no sense for a person the Ramsey's didn't know. If it were a stranger, there wouldn't be any reason for the Ramseys to cover up or stage anything. If it were a stranger, she'd either have murdered in the kitchen (lots of objects to murder with) or in her bedroom. Also, a lot of circumstantial evidence points to accidental murder. A stranger would have murdered her purpose.
I'm thinking especially of the Santa Clause impersonator. Didn't he also write the play based upon the murder of Sylvia Likens, which also took place in a basement? Or was that another friend?
I'm pretty sure it was Bill Reynolds wife that wrote a play about a rape and murder of a child in a basement.
So many quirks to this case.
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