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Old 02-15-2014, 04:28 PM
 
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I had to look that up MT, hadnt heard of that.

 
Old 02-15-2014, 04:43 PM
 
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I had to look that up MT, hadnt heard of that.
The Franklin Scandal is very interesting and very disturbing. There are ties between the Franklin Scandal and Colorado. It's not for the faint of heart but it does help to understand how these rings operate.
 
Old 02-15-2014, 05:56 PM
 
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This also reminds me of the Johnny Gosch case. His mother claims he is not dead, but in hiding after escaping the pedophile ring that captured. Another interesting fact is Mrs. Gosh claims she has pictures of him with a body that may have been dead with a tie around the neck...

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Old 02-15-2014, 07:09 PM
 
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This also reminds me of the Johnny Gosch case. His mother claims he is not dead, but in hiding after escaping the pedophile ring that captured. Another interesting fact is Mrs. Gosh claims she has pictures of him with a body that may have been dead with a tie around the neck...

Johnny Gosch - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Johnny Gosch was said to have been a victim in the Franklin Scandal. His mom believes that he is still alive. She said that he came to see her late one night, for a brief visit years after his abduction and that he was on the run from his captors. It is an interesting story. It is hard to read, very disturbing. The pictures of him bound and tied up can be found online under google images. I also found a police sketch of the suspect who abducted him and it is exactly the same as a police sketch for a missing girl from Arizona named Michaela Joy Garecht. So creepy!
 
Old 02-15-2014, 07:14 PM
 
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I'm really starting to wonder if there are pedophile rings or just sections of one big ring. Notice how a lot of things can tie one ring to another.
 
Old 02-15-2014, 07:19 PM
 
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I'm really starting to wonder if there are pedophile rings or just sections of one big ring. Notice how a lot of things can tie one ring to another.

I wonder the same.
 
Old 02-15-2014, 08:13 PM
 
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The Johnny Gosch case was disturbing, in the end I had to stop reading about it. I didnt realise he was a victim of the Franklin cover up though.

fact is stranger than fiction.

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Old 02-15-2014, 08:50 PM
 
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The Johnny Gosch case was disturbing, in the end I had to stop reading about it. I didnt realise he was a victim of the Franklin cover up though.

fact is stranger than fiction.
I agree. I started reading about it years ago and had to stop. It was just too much. I started again recently. It is very disturbing.
 
Old 02-15-2014, 09:05 PM
 
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Would any of you mind producing one scintilla of credible evidence that Fleet White or John Ramsey were involved in a pedophile ring? You have been going on about this for several pages now. Need I remind you that Fleet White and John Ramsey are real, living people with feelings just as important as your own?

The possibility of getting your pants sued off for defamation, etc. notwithstanding, do you not think it absolutely cruel, unjust, and immoral to make such terrible allegations, over and over and over again, against the reputations of these people based upon nothing more than your catty imaginations?

How would you feel if such unsupported public aspersion were being made against your character and reputation?
 
Old 02-15-2014, 09:10 PM
 
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I read that she had become a born again Christian during her cancer bout so maybe that accounts for some of the outbursts and things that she said. I don't have any idea how I would have reacted, cannot imagine.

That said, I have now read all the interviews of Nancy Krebs that I could find and I believe her, sickening though it may be. It does sound like White Sr was a pedophile and he turned his son into one too. John Ramsay set up methods of hiding the money that was made on the exploitation of these girls.

Videos were made, she said everything was always filmed. Christmas was a busy time, she said, because you could have parties and no one would suspect anything. Also, kids were out of school so their wounds would have time to heal.

I don't think the Ramsays actually DID it, but they were involved somehow. They certainly didn't intend for it to happen. Beyond that, I would just be guessing that maybe John already was a pedophile--despite his pure reputation as a pillar of the community--and Patsy was interested in pageants so they made a good couple. John could have encouraged the pageants whereas most husbands would have discouraged them.

Who wrote the ransom note? Who strangled her? Other details? I don't think we will ever know. There is so much money and power involved in covering it all up that there will be no more answers. That's how I feel now. I don't even know if the Ramsays knew who did it. Nancy Krebs seemed to think it could have been Fleet White Sr.
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