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Old 04-19-2016, 07:08 AM
 
Location: So Ca
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Producer John Waters is friends with Leslie VanHouten and is an advocate for her release. Thinks it's wrong and cruel to keep her imprisoned forever for a mental illness.

I do not believe any of the Mansion followers were mentally ill - they were just gullible stupid-asses. But if she was mentally ill.... anyone that 'ill' can't be out among us, anyway.
True.

Waters claimed that he "saw certain similarities between himself and the Manson followers."
John Waters: Manson Family Member Should Be Free : NPR

 
Old 06-21-2016, 07:55 AM
 
Location: So Ca
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Debra Tate, sister of Sharon Tate, again urges Gov Brown to deny parole to Leslie Van Houten, former member of the Manson cult.

Sharon Tate's sister urges Manson cult follower be denied parole - LA Times
 
Old 06-21-2016, 08:16 AM
 
Location: Upstate NY 🇺🇸
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I have to agree with the following comment,
"If 'life in prison' doesn't mean exactly that for the murderers of the LaBiancas as well as Charles Manson's other victims, then how can it be considered a reasonable and satisfactory alternative to being put to death?"

'Life in prison' should mean life for Leslie Van Houten - LA Times

Oh, allow me: Because imprisoning criminals for life was never the intention of the anti-death penalty activists.

That is a fact. All one has to do is consider the evolution of the compassionate release movement. Initially, their intention was to release terminally-ill "lifers." Then they pushed for the release of elderly lifers, then those who had chronic illnesses, then those whose family members were ill, etc., etc. In other words, when they ultimately suffer the same infirmities seen in the law-abiding population of a certain age, hand 'em the key. Newsflash: Disease and frailty are a natural consequence of aging.

Also, these "compassionate release" groups have sprouted a lot of heads, and they're advocates of indeterminate sentences--you know, those baffling 15 years-to-life sentences that, even when imposed for murder, aren't "life" sentences at all. In fact, they're up for parole based on having served a certain percentage of their minimum sentence. In an increasing number of states, they're required to be released.

Prisoner advocacy groups never intended to accommodate, much less support, life imprisonment for even the most dangerous offenders.
 
Old 06-21-2016, 10:26 AM
 
Location: Renton - Fairwood, Washington
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Debra Tate, sister of Sharon Tate, again urges Gov Brown to deny parole to Leslie Van Houten, former member of the Manson cult.

Sharon Tate's sister urges Manson cult follower be denied parole - LA Times

All once has to do is look at the crime scene photos to realize that these people should never be let out of jail. Those against the death penalty should take a real long look.
 
Old 06-21-2016, 04:10 PM
 
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I doubt any of the Manson family members will ever be paroled, the crimes where so gruesome and so filled with rage and there are too many people who would have a problem with them living in the outside world, Also Charlie has not at all changed his colors he is a mass murder and will always be that.
Steve Grogan ("Clem"), who participated in the murder of Shorty Shea, has already been paroled, in part because he finally told authorities where to find Shea's body.
 
Old 06-24-2016, 06:24 AM
 
Location: Kentucky Bluegrass
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The Associated Press: Manson follower faces parole board for 19th time



I believe in redemption but this crime was so hideous and, in the end, so tragic for everyone involved except for Charlie who needs to die right where he is.
I cannot believe he wasn't put to death? Even worse, they left this woman go? Pathetic what our country has come to....

Let me tell you, when a boy rapes a girl, and is caught and only gets, what 3 - 6 months, there is something seriously wrong with our judicial system.

Our laws have to get tougher....
 
Old 06-24-2016, 10:29 AM
 
Location: Elsewhere
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I cannot believe he wasn't put to death? Even worse, they left this woman go? Pathetic what our country has come to....

Let me tell you, when a boy rapes a girl, and is caught and only gets, what 3 - 6 months, there is something seriously wrong with our judicial system.

Our laws have to get tougher....
The Manson family murderers were all sentenced to death, but shortly after, the death penalty was abolished and their sentences commuted to life in prison.
 
Old 06-27-2016, 02:34 AM
 
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Our laws have to get tougher....
Its people like you who mess up the criminal justice system,the laws are outrageous already and our prisons are overcrowded we have the highest prison population in the world because of people like you.
 
Old 06-27-2016, 06:35 AM
 
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I'm sorry Debra, luv', but if it's 19th time that woman asks for parole. She is a granny now, and no danger to anybody. There's difference between Justice and Retaliation, the US isn't the Middle East yet.
and I'm in favour of the death penalty though. But sibnce she hasn't been executed back then, dangling in front of her every 2 years the possibility of parole to systematically refuse it is akin to harsh and cruel punishment in my book. Manson however should be kept locked behind bar and key, because contrary to Leslie Van Houten he didn't amend his ways (she converted to Christianity and is a model prisoner) and still beckons himself as a satanist (he even married a young follower behind bars).
 
Old 06-27-2016, 07:40 AM
 
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Since manson been locked up his been claiming innocence,that makes me have doubts if he was truely guilty
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